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Attributes | |
ACN | 274483 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 23000 msl bound upper : 25800 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob tower : cid |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10600 flight time type : 750 |
ASRS Report | 274483 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
IFR mke to dtw. Center cleared us direct polar, polar 1 arrival into dtw, to cross 60 mi west of polar at FL230. Captain was PF and was trying to enter crossing restr into mcdu. After 2 unsuccessful attempts he started a descent leaving FL290 to FL230 using vertical speed. During this time I was using the PA to give our passenger an arrival briefing. During my PA I overheard ZOB asking what our distance to polar was. The captain stated 59 DME (and our altitude was FL258). The captain was using full speed brakes at this time to help reach FL230, but we didn't reach FL230 until approximately 52-55 DME from polar. We missed the crossing clearance by about 3000 ft but there did not seem to be any conflicts at that time. Contributing factors were the captain's fixation and attempts trying to put the crossing restr into the mcdu instead of using vertical speed or open descent. Another factor is my giving a PA to our passenger during a somewhat critical phase of flight. There is also no way to program a crossing restr into our mcdu unless it falls on a particular intersection, VOR, etc. Other than that, we must build it ourselves and in some cases (such as this one) it would not accept it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A-320 MISSES XING ALT RESTR ON DSCNT.
Narrative: IFR MKE TO DTW. CTR CLRED US DIRECT POLAR, POLAR 1 ARR INTO DTW, TO CROSS 60 MI W OF POLAR AT FL230. CAPT WAS PF AND WAS TRYING TO ENTER XING RESTR INTO MCDU. AFTER 2 UNSUCCESSFUL ATTEMPTS HE STARTED A DSCNT LEAVING FL290 TO FL230 USING VERT SPD. DURING THIS TIME I WAS USING THE PA TO GIVE OUR PAX AN ARR BRIEFING. DURING MY PA I OVERHEARD ZOB ASKING WHAT OUR DISTANCE TO POLAR WAS. THE CAPT STATED 59 DME (AND OUR ALT WAS FL258). THE CAPT WAS USING FULL SPD BRAKES AT THIS TIME TO HELP REACH FL230, BUT WE DIDN'T REACH FL230 UNTIL APPROX 52-55 DME FROM POLAR. WE MISSED THE XING CLRNC BY ABOUT 3000 FT BUT THERE DID NOT SEEM TO BE ANY CONFLICTS AT THAT TIME. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE THE CAPT'S FIXATION AND ATTEMPTS TRYING TO PUT THE XING RESTR INTO THE MCDU INSTEAD OF USING VERT SPD OR OPEN DSCNT. ANOTHER FACTOR IS MY GIVING A PA TO OUR PAX DURING A SOMEWHAT CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT. THERE IS ALSO NO WAY TO PROGRAM A XING RESTR INTO OUR MCDU UNLESS IT FALLS ON A PARTICULAR INTXN, VOR, ETC. OTHER THAN THAT, WE MUST BUILD IT OURSELVES AND IN SOME CASES (SUCH AS THIS ONE) IT WOULD NOT ACCEPT IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.