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Attributes | |
ACN | 275353 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bur |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 275353 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We had been cleared for an ILS approach to runway 8 at bur. The initial portion of the approach was flown in IMC conditions. After breaking out of the clouds and visually acquiring the airport we experienced a TCASII RA at approximately 2000 ft MSL. We responded to the 'climb' RA but by the time we reversed the descent and began climbing the target had merged with our aircraft symbol on the TCASII and indicated a relative altitude of '00.' we did not acquire the traffic visually, but after reporting the RA to the tower we were informed that the traffic was a VFR helicopter which had us in sight. The helicopter was apparently on the localizer and GS of the runway 8 approach. We had not previously been advised of this traffic. We were unable to stabilize the approach after the RA and executed a go around. This type of incident is a daily occurrence in the los angeles basin outside the los angeles TCA (class B airspace). The airspace in the los angeles basin needs to be completely revised. This is long overdue. We do not experience this type of event in class B airspace (or at least rarely).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ON APCH HAS TCASII RA. RESPONDS BUT MUST THEN MAKE GAR.
Narrative: WE HAD BEEN CLRED FOR AN ILS APCH TO RWY 8 AT BUR. THE INITIAL PORTION OF THE APCH WAS FLOWN IN IMC CONDITIONS. AFTER BREAKING OUT OF THE CLOUDS AND VISUALLY ACQUIRING THE ARPT WE EXPERIENCED A TCASII RA AT APPROX 2000 FT MSL. WE RESPONDED TO THE 'CLB' RA BUT BY THE TIME WE REVERSED THE DSCNT AND BEGAN CLBING THE TARGET HAD MERGED WITH OUR ACFT SYMBOL ON THE TCASII AND INDICATED A RELATIVE ALT OF '00.' WE DID NOT ACQUIRE THE TFC VISUALLY, BUT AFTER RPTING THE RA TO THE TWR WE WERE INFORMED THAT THE TFC WAS A VFR HELI WHICH HAD US IN SIGHT. THE HELI WAS APPARENTLY ON THE LOC AND GS OF THE RWY 8 APCH. WE HAD NOT PREVIOUSLY BEEN ADVISED OF THIS TFC. WE WERE UNABLE TO STABILIZE THE APCH AFTER THE RA AND EXECUTED A GAR. THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT IS A DAILY OCCURRENCE IN THE LOS ANGELES BASIN OUTSIDE THE LOS ANGELES TCA (CLASS B AIRSPACE). THE AIRSPACE IN THE LOS ANGELES BASIN NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REVISED. THIS IS LONG OVERDUE. WE DO NOT EXPERIENCE THIS TYPE OF EVENT IN CLASS B AIRSPACE (OR AT LEAST RARELY).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.