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Attributes | |
ACN | 279900 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : scy airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 11000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute airway : dfw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 279900 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 175 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 279703 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While cruising at 11000 ft at 250 KIAS on scurry 6 arrival at dfw, we received an RA from TCASII. RA occurred 15 seconds after approach controller called traffic as 11 O'clock, 2 mi, climbing to 10000 ft, md-80. We had a visual on traffic and saw him level at 10000 ft, so I elected to ignore climb command from TCASII. It is my impression that these 'false' TCASII warnings are quite frequent at dfw. All arrs are at 11000 ft, and all are converging. Why don't departing air carrier aircraft routinely reduce climb to 1000 FPM for the last 1000 ft on these types of approachs. I do this routinely at dfw (and ord), and I have never received a climbing RA. Unnecessary RA's are, in my opinion, a real danger at these types of terminals.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG PLT IGNORED HIS TCASII.
Narrative: WHILE CRUISING AT 11000 FT AT 250 KIAS ON SCURRY 6 ARR AT DFW, WE RECEIVED AN RA FROM TCASII. RA OCCURRED 15 SECONDS AFTER APCH CTLR CALLED TFC AS 11 O'CLOCK, 2 MI, CLBING TO 10000 FT, MD-80. WE HAD A VISUAL ON TFC AND SAW HIM LEVEL AT 10000 FT, SO I ELECTED TO IGNORE CLB COMMAND FROM TCASII. IT IS MY IMPRESSION THAT THESE 'FALSE' TCASII WARNINGS ARE QUITE FREQUENT AT DFW. ALL ARRS ARE AT 11000 FT, AND ALL ARE CONVERGING. WHY DON'T DEPARTING ACR ACFT ROUTINELY REDUCE CLB TO 1000 FPM FOR THE LAST 1000 FT ON THESE TYPES OF APCHS. I DO THIS ROUTINELY AT DFW (AND ORD), AND I HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A CLBING RA. UNNECESSARY RA'S ARE, IN MY OPINION, A REAL DANGER AT THESE TYPES OF TERMINALS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.