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Attributes | |
ACN | 280517 |
Time | |
Date | 199408 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rbv |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 280517 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified cockpit |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After takeoff from jfk we changed to and checked in on 124.75 mh and were cleared 'direct to rbv-climb to and maintain 17000 ft.' we acknowledged. As we climbed through about 14000 ft we received a TCASII TA of traffic at 1200 and 2300 ft above us. I told first officer to level and turn to right. He did. When I could get a word in with very busy ATC, regarding traffic, he advised, in an annoyed tone, 'been trying to get you about traffic.' all 3 crew were paying attention and never heard any calls. Somewhere in all the confusion I heard '15000 ft' but never had time to confirm if it was for us or not. We were instructed to change to next sector and I checked in 'level at 15000 ft climbing to 17000 ft.' she replied 'confirm climbing to maintain 17000 ft.' I did not pursue any of the above because ATC was very busy. We have no idea how conflict arose. ATC error in assigning 17000 ft. We missed a call. Call blocked -- VFR aircraft -- etc. We sighted other aircraft twin turboprop (saab?) as he passed overhead at 1400 ft TCASII and slightly left of our position. If it had not been for the TCASII this could have been a disaster.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CONFLICT BTWN 2 ACR ACFT.
Narrative: AFTER TKOF FROM JFK WE CHANGED TO AND CHKED IN ON 124.75 MH AND WERE CLRED 'DIRECT TO RBV-CLB TO AND MAINTAIN 17000 FT.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED. AS WE CLBED THROUGH ABOUT 14000 FT WE RECEIVED A TCASII TA OF TFC AT 1200 AND 2300 FT ABOVE US. I TOLD FO TO LEVEL AND TURN TO R. HE DID. WHEN I COULD GET A WORD IN WITH VERY BUSY ATC, REGARDING TFC, HE ADVISED, IN AN ANNOYED TONE, 'BEEN TRYING TO GET YOU ABOUT TFC.' ALL 3 CREW WERE PAYING ATTN AND NEVER HEARD ANY CALLS. SOMEWHERE IN ALL THE CONFUSION I HEARD '15000 FT' BUT NEVER HAD TIME TO CONFIRM IF IT WAS FOR US OR NOT. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CHANGE TO NEXT SECTOR AND I CHKED IN 'LEVEL AT 15000 FT CLBING TO 17000 FT.' SHE REPLIED 'CONFIRM CLBING TO MAINTAIN 17000 FT.' I DID NOT PURSUE ANY OF THE ABOVE BECAUSE ATC WAS VERY BUSY. WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW CONFLICT AROSE. ATC ERROR IN ASSIGNING 17000 FT. WE MISSED A CALL. CALL BLOCKED -- VFR ACFT -- ETC. WE SIGHTED OTHER ACFT TWIN TURBOPROP (SAAB?) AS HE PASSED OVERHEAD AT 1400 FT TCASII AND SLIGHTLY L OF OUR POS. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN FOR THE TCASII THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A DISASTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.