A landing pilot was unable to hold short after agreeing to do so.

Attributes
ACN	282498
Time
Date	199409
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : evv
State Reference	IN
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commander 560
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing other
Person 1
Affiliation	government : faa
Function	other personnel other
Qualification	controller : non radar
ASRS Report	282498
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Events
Anomaly	conflict : ground critical non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : investigated faa : assigned or threatened penalties
Miss Distance	horizontal : 3000
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

Aircraft 1 landing runway 18. On rollout, instructed to hold short runway 22 for arriving AC560 aircraft 1 said 'we'll try' then 'unable.' as a result, a tower controller (still developmental) has been given an operational error. During investigation I found that hold short lines on runway 18 (to hold short of runway 22) are approximately 3000 ft down the runway and the published hold short distance available is 3650 ft. Management has changed local pubs to match actual distances to the hold short lines on both runways 18 and 22. This procedure of telling pilots '3650 ft available' has been in place for at least 3 yrs while the hold short markings were only 3000 ft from approach end.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A LNDG PLT WAS UNABLE TO HOLD SHORT AFTER AGREEING TO DO SO.

Narrative: ACFT 1 LNDG RWY 18. ON ROLLOUT, INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT RWY 22 FOR ARRIVING AC560 ACFT 1 SAID 'WE'LL TRY' THEN 'UNABLE.' AS A RESULT, A TWR CTLR (STILL DEVELOPMENTAL) HAS BEEN GIVEN AN OPERROR. DURING INVESTIGATION I FOUND THAT HOLD SHORT LINES ON RWY 18 (TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 22) ARE APPROX 3000 FT DOWN THE RWY AND THE PUBLISHED HOLD SHORT DISTANCE AVAILABLE IS 3650 FT. MGMNT HAS CHANGED LCL PUBS TO MATCH ACTUAL DISTANCES TO THE HOLD SHORT LINES ON BOTH RWYS 18 AND 22. THIS PROC OF TELLING PLTS '3650 FT AVAILABLE' HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR AT LEAST 3 YRS WHILE THE HOLD SHORT MARKINGS WERE ONLY 3000 FT FROM APCH END.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.