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Attributes | |
ACN | 284636 |
Time | |
Date | 199410 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pns |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ewr |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Saab-Scania Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 5400 flight time type : 1880 |
ASRS Report | 284636 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
My captain and I had competed all cockpit checks. When asked by him if I had obtained a clearance from departure or center (tower was still closed. I said, 'no,' and we both decided that we could get one in the air. Field was VFR, severe clear, tower not in operation. We believed the field was uncontrolled since no NOTAMS, charts, ATIS, etc. Said pensacola departure was owning the airspace. We launched, called departure control immediately at safe altitude, then were informed of our mistake. Apparently we needed a clearance to launch even though field had no operating control tower. We were not aware of this ruling. We believe the problem was caused by 1) not enough information given to the flcs of this unusual procedure in pns. 2) our lack of knowledge of pns departure control procedures. This is a big problem in pns and must be taken care of. We believed (and were taught) that a control zone is not in effect. Unless, tower is operational, and/or the field is IFR, or certain hours render it in effect. None applied here.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X TKOF WITHOUT IFR CLRNC.
Narrative: MY CAPT AND I HAD COMPETED ALL COCKPIT CHKS. WHEN ASKED BY HIM IF I HAD OBTAINED A CLRNC FROM DEP OR CTR (TWR WAS STILL CLOSED. I SAID, 'NO,' AND WE BOTH DECIDED THAT WE COULD GET ONE IN THE AIR. FIELD WAS VFR, SEVERE CLR, TWR NOT IN OP. WE BELIEVED THE FIELD WAS UNCTLED SINCE NO NOTAMS, CHARTS, ATIS, ETC. SAID PENSACOLA DEP WAS OWNING THE AIRSPACE. WE LAUNCHED, CALLED DEP CTL IMMEDIATELY AT SAFE ALT, THEN WERE INFORMED OF OUR MISTAKE. APPARENTLY WE NEEDED A CLRNC TO LAUNCH EVEN THOUGH FIELD HAD NO OPERATING CTL TWR. WE WERE NOT AWARE OF THIS RULING. WE BELIEVE THE PROB WAS CAUSED BY 1) NOT ENOUGH INFO GIVEN TO THE FLCS OF THIS UNUSUAL PROC IN PNS. 2) OUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF PNS DEP CTL PROCS. THIS IS A BIG PROB IN PNS AND MUST BE TAKEN CARE OF. WE BELIEVED (AND WERE TAUGHT) THAT A CTL ZONE IS NOT IN EFFECT. UNLESS, TWR IS OPERATIONAL, AND/OR THE FIELD IS IFR, OR CERTAIN HRS RENDER IT IN EFFECT. NONE APPLIED HERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.