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Attributes | |
ACN | 291478 |
Time | |
Date | 199412 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : msy |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 291478 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 4800 |
ASRS Report | 291477 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On a bright, clear day, crew arrived at stl for XB40 local departure. Captain did extensive walk around, noticed no abnormal conditions including frost on wings or flight control surfaces. No deice necessary. At approximately XB30, FAA inspector showed up, mentioned he'd seen hoarfrost on upper top fuselage area (allowed in FAA approved flight operations manual) and would like us to consider deice. Captain explained his walk around findings no frost on critical flight control surfaces and found the aircraft airworthy. After crew consultation, decision to deice was accomplished to accommodate the whims of the FAA inspector to cover 'all bases.' flight continued uneventfully to phx. In phx, captain was informed FAA inspector (stl) had already called air carrier poi and air carrier flight operations management concerning different observation of light hoarfrost on upper fuselage surfaces. Also, on day before, department of transportation (DOT) secretary announced 'enhanced' FAA inspections to follow-on politically embarrassing call on not grounding/then grounding ATR fleet in post-crash debacle scenario! P.south. Said aircraft had sat for only 3 plus hours on ramp at stl from earlier arrival and had a fuel temperature of plus 17 degrees C!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACI SUGGESTED THAT AN ACFT BE DEICED.
Narrative: ON A BRIGHT, CLR DAY, CREW ARRIVED AT STL FOR XB40 LCL DEP. CAPT DID EXTENSIVE WALK AROUND, NOTICED NO ABNORMAL CONDITIONS INCLUDING FROST ON WINGS OR FLT CTL SURFACES. NO DEICE NECESSARY. AT APPROX XB30, FAA INSPECTOR SHOWED UP, MENTIONED HE'D SEEN HOARFROST ON UPPER TOP FUSELAGE AREA (ALLOWED IN FAA APPROVED FLT OPS MANUAL) AND WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER DEICE. CAPT EXPLAINED HIS WALK AROUND FINDINGS NO FROST ON CRITICAL FLT CTL SURFACES AND FOUND THE ACFT AIRWORTHY. AFTER CREW CONSULTATION, DECISION TO DEICE WAS ACCOMPLISHED TO ACCOMMODATE THE WHIMS OF THE FAA INSPECTOR TO COVER 'ALL BASES.' FLT CONTINUED UNEVENTFULLY TO PHX. IN PHX, CAPT WAS INFORMED FAA INSPECTOR (STL) HAD ALREADY CALLED ACR POI AND ACR FLT OPS MGMNT CONCERNING DIFFERENT OBSERVATION OF LIGHT HOARFROST ON UPPER FUSELAGE SURFACES. ALSO, ON DAY BEFORE, DEPT OF TRANSPORTATION (DOT) SECRETARY ANNOUNCED 'ENHANCED' FAA INSPECTIONS TO FOLLOW-ON POLITICALLY EMBARRASSING CALL ON NOT GNDING/THEN GNDING ATR FLEET IN POST-CRASH DEBACLE SCENARIO! P.S. SAID ACFT HAD SAT FOR ONLY 3 PLUS HRS ON RAMP AT STL FROM EARLIER ARR AND HAD A FUEL TEMP OF PLUS 17 DEGS C!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.