Too high close in to accept visual approach.

Attributes
ACN	293030
Time
Date	199501
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : jax
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : jax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other descent : approach
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	293030
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	292950
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

After getting the ATIS for jax which stated a visual approach for runway 31 jax, we set up for runway 31 jax. We were arriving from the north (going south). After switching radios to approach control, approach gave us a turn to the right (this turn put us on a pretty good downwind to runway 31 jax). We were cleared to 2000 ft (we set up and briefed for runway 31, with the back course 31 ILS set up too). Supplemental information from acn 292950: evidently, subsequent information was released that the arrival runway was changed to runway 7. Prior to abeam runway 7, approach asked us if we had the airport in sight. We said yes, and were cleared for the visual to runway 7. Seeing that we were too high to make a safe approach, we requested a left 360 degree turn. This was denied and we were instructed to climb to 3000 ft and given numerous heading changes. We were also then told to maintain 2000 ft and that there were numerous aircraft in the area. During this episode there were many broken or 'stepped on' xmissions. These events could have been released or had indicated what approach we could plan on during initial contact.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TOO HIGH CLOSE IN TO ACCEPT VISUAL APCH.

Narrative: AFTER GETTING THE ATIS FOR JAX WHICH STATED A VISUAL APCH FOR RWY 31 JAX, WE SET UP FOR RWY 31 JAX. WE WERE ARRIVING FROM THE N (GOING S). AFTER SWITCHING RADIOS TO APCH CTL, APCH GAVE US A TURN TO THE R (THIS TURN PUT US ON A PRETTY GOOD DOWNWIND TO RWY 31 JAX). WE WERE CLRED TO 2000 FT (WE SET UP AND BRIEFED FOR RWY 31, WITH THE BACK COURSE 31 ILS SET UP TOO). SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 292950: EVIDENTLY, SUBSEQUENT INFO WAS RELEASED THAT THE ARR RWY WAS CHANGED TO RWY 7. PRIOR TO ABEAM RWY 7, APCH ASKED US IF WE HAD THE ARPT IN SIGHT. WE SAID YES, AND WERE CLRED FOR THE VISUAL TO RWY 7. SEEING THAT WE WERE TOO HIGH TO MAKE A SAFE APCH, WE REQUESTED A L 360 DEG TURN. THIS WAS DENIED AND WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO CLB TO 3000 FT AND GIVEN NUMEROUS HDG CHANGES. WE WERE ALSO THEN TOLD TO MAINTAIN 2000 FT AND THAT THERE WERE NUMEROUS ACFT IN THE AREA. DURING THIS EPISODE THERE WERE MANY BROKEN OR 'STEPPED ON' XMISSIONS. THESE EVENTS COULD HAVE BEEN RELEASED OR HAD INDICATED WHAT APCH WE COULD PLAN ON DURING INITIAL CONTACT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.