Air carrier X unauthorized uncoord penetration of airspace.

Attributes
ACN	296129
Time
Date	199502
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : svzm
State Reference	FO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 28000 msl bound upper : 28000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : svzm tracon : lax
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 600
ASRS Report	296129
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 145 flight time total : 19000 flight time type : 3000
ASRS Report	296007
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Deviation

Narrative:

Air carrier X had been cleared down to FL280 by manaus center due to some potential traffic conflict and approximately 10 mi from pakon intersection on UA300 ordered to take up a holding pattern at pakon, FL280, for approximately 26 mins. All of this was accomplished without incident. Upon entering the holding pattern, we knew that we could not afford to hold for 26 mins at FL280 and began requesting some other down route clearance. Manaus was having trouble routing traffic across venezuela airspace and advised we should contact maiquetia. Radio contact was extremely poor and intermittent on both VHF and HF. Someone asked if we could go to timehri, a VOR on the guyana coast. I'm not sure if it was manaus or maiquetia who asked this as we were trying to work both agencies at same time. We replied we could but would prefer to go direct to piarco, port of spain, a more north routing. At some point we received a 'roger' to our request to proceed to piarco, I don't know if it came from manaus or maiquetia. We left the holding pattern at pakon and proceeded direct to piarco (position). Upon contacting pairco, it seemed as if there had been no handoff. Piarco worked on getting our rerte completed further north to iluri intersection and was able to get us back up to a higher altitude. Supplemental information from acn 296007: maiqueitia was reported to have told piarco that we 'violated' their (maq) airspace. 1) we had an ATC clearance for this rerte issued by manaus. 2) we were in radio contact with maiquietia and several times asked them for higher altitude. In south america it is common for communication difficulties to arise and we were having the usual trouble reaching and understanding what was being said but since we are quite experienced with these problems we made certain we had the clearance to go pakon direct position at FL280. The problem existed I believe in that supervisors were working the flts in the maq airspace due to controller strike and perhaps manaus center did not notify maq of our clearance.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR X UNAUTH UNCOORD PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE.

Narrative: ACR X HAD BEEN CLRED DOWN TO FL280 BY MANAUS CTR DUE TO SOME POTENTIAL TFC CONFLICT AND APPROX 10 MI FROM PAKON INTXN ON UA300 ORDERED TO TAKE UP A HOLDING PATTERN AT PAKON, FL280, FOR APPROX 26 MINS. ALL OF THIS WAS ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT INCIDENT. UPON ENTERING THE HOLDING PATTERN, WE KNEW THAT WE COULD NOT AFFORD TO HOLD FOR 26 MINS AT FL280 AND BEGAN REQUESTING SOME OTHER DOWN RTE CLRNC. MANAUS WAS HAVING TROUBLE ROUTING TFC ACROSS VENEZUELA AIRSPACE AND ADVISED WE SHOULD CONTACT MAIQUETIA. RADIO CONTACT WAS EXTREMELY POOR AND INTERMITTENT ON BOTH VHF AND HF. SOMEONE ASKED IF WE COULD GO TO TIMEHRI, A VOR ON THE GUYANA COAST. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS MANAUS OR MAIQUETIA WHO ASKED THIS AS WE WERE TRYING TO WORK BOTH AGENCIES AT SAME TIME. WE REPLIED WE COULD BUT WOULD PREFER TO GO DIRECT TO PIARCO, PORT OF SPAIN, A MORE N ROUTING. AT SOME POINT WE RECEIVED A 'ROGER' TO OUR REQUEST TO PROCEED TO PIARCO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT CAME FROM MANAUS OR MAIQUETIA. WE LEFT THE HOLDING PATTERN AT PAKON AND PROCEEDED DIRECT TO PIARCO (POS). UPON CONTACTING PAIRCO, IT SEEMED AS IF THERE HAD BEEN NO HDOF. PIARCO WORKED ON GETTING OUR RERTE COMPLETED FURTHER N TO ILURI INTXN AND WAS ABLE TO GET US BACK UP TO A HIGHER ALT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 296007: MAIQUEITIA WAS RPTED TO HAVE TOLD PIARCO THAT WE 'VIOLATED' THEIR (MAQ) AIRSPACE. 1) WE HAD AN ATC CLRNC FOR THIS RERTE ISSUED BY MANAUS. 2) WE WERE IN RADIO CONTACT WITH MAIQUIETIA AND SEVERAL TIMES ASKED THEM FOR HIGHER ALT. IN SOUTH AMERICA IT IS COMMON FOR COM DIFFICULTIES TO ARISE AND WE WERE HAVING THE USUAL TROUBLE REACHING AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT WAS BEING SAID BUT SINCE WE ARE QUITE EXPERIENCED WITH THESE PROBS WE MADE CERTAIN WE HAD THE CLRNC TO GO PAKON DIRECT POS AT FL280. THE PROB EXISTED I BELIEVE IN THAT SUPVRS WERE WORKING THE FLTS IN THE MAQ AIRSPACE DUE TO CTLR STRIKE AND PERHAPS MANAUS CTR DID NOT NOTIFY MAQ OF OUR CLRNC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.