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Attributes | |
ACN | 297129 |
Time | |
Date | 199502 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fwa |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : fwa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Fighting Falcon F16 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1700 |
ASRS Report | 297129 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 1400 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 297253 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During visual approach to fort wayne runway 23, an F-16 performed a 360 degree overhead break in front of us. Our closest conflict came when the F-16 pulled off downwind and cut in front of us. We were on a 2 mi final and he was coming off downwind. ATC never advised us where he was or where he was coming from. The F-16 was using UHF frequency and could not be heard. We performed an immediate go around when we felt the aircraft were in conflict. Supplemental information from acn 297253: he (the F-16) was going to be maneuvering in front of us. The distance was unrealistically close (for spacing) so we quickly executed a go around. The obvious cause for the problem was the controller's poor judgement of the distance between us and the f- 16. Additionally the F-16's pilot should not have accepted the clearance. Although there never was any actual danger, the biggest problem stems from the fact that we couldn't hear the conversations between the controller and the F-16 (as they were on a different frequency or band (UHF) so even though we were in VMC we had no way of knowing if the f- 16 was landing - low approach or had lost an engine and was trying to land.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X CONFLICT WITH F16 ON FINAL APCH, EXECUTED A GAR. SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT.
Narrative: DURING VISUAL APCH TO FORT WAYNE RWY 23, AN F-16 PERFORMED A 360 DEG OVERHEAD BREAK IN FRONT OF US. OUR CLOSEST CONFLICT CAME WHEN THE F-16 PULLED OFF DOWNWIND AND CUT IN FRONT OF US. WE WERE ON A 2 MI FINAL AND HE WAS COMING OFF DOWNWIND. ATC NEVER ADVISED US WHERE HE WAS OR WHERE HE WAS COMING FROM. THE F-16 WAS USING UHF FREQ AND COULD NOT BE HEARD. WE PERFORMED AN IMMEDIATE GAR WHEN WE FELT THE ACFT WERE IN CONFLICT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 297253: HE (THE F-16) WAS GOING TO BE MANEUVERING IN FRONT OF US. THE DISTANCE WAS UNREALISTICALLY CLOSE (FOR SPACING) SO WE QUICKLY EXECUTED A GAR. THE OBVIOUS CAUSE FOR THE PROB WAS THE CTLR'S POOR JUDGEMENT OF THE DISTANCE BTWN US AND THE F- 16. ADDITIONALLY THE F-16'S PLT SHOULD NOT HAVE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC. ALTHOUGH THERE NEVER WAS ANY ACTUAL DANGER, THE BIGGEST PROB STEMS FROM THE FACT THAT WE COULDN'T HEAR THE CONVERSATIONS BTWN THE CTLR AND THE F-16 (AS THEY WERE ON A DIFFERENT FREQ OR BAND (UHF) SO EVEN THOUGH WE WERE IN VMC WE HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING IF THE F- 16 WAS LNDG - LOW APCH OR HAD LOST AN ENG AND WAS TRYING TO LAND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.