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Attributes | |
ACN | 299741 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ptn airport : dtw |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1100 msl bound upper : 1100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | PA-32 Cherokee Six/Lance/Saratoga |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 850 flight time type : 10 |
ASRS Report | 299741 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After a long day working as a CFI, I had 1 last non- instructing flight from phl to ptw to reposition an aircraft. We departed phl at approximately XA00 on an IFR plan. WX was ceiling 600 ft visibility, 3 mi in fog. The flight to ptw was uneventful. We broke out at about 1100 ft and had a 3-4 mi visibility in fog. Minimums were 820 ft and 1 mi. Ptw is uncontrolled and, on the ground, I called phl approach to cancel IFR. The controller asked what the WX was like on our approach because he had another aircraft holding for the approach. I looked at my clipboard and said it was approximately 600 ft and 3 mi. This of course was the wrong WX. This was the phl WX we had gotten on departure. I didn't realize my mistake until later that night while driving home. This could have been a problem for the pilot holding for the approach or other pilots landing at ptw that night. They might divert thinking that the WX was worse than it was. Leading to this mistake was a common factor - a very long day at the airport. As a CFI, I spend all day at the airport. I may only fly 4 hours but I am on duty maybe 12 or 14 hours. The regulations say 8 hours of flight instructions, but they don't mention duty time. There should be mandatory rest periods for flight instructors. Duty hours (office-flight-ground) should be kept track of. It is true that some CFI's will do anything for money, but we must police ourselves to avoid dangerous sits. Adding regulations for mandatory rest periods is a good starting point.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WX LEGALITY FOR APCH.
Narrative: AFTER A LONG DAY WORKING AS A CFI, I HAD 1 LAST NON- INSTRUCTING FLT FROM PHL TO PTW TO REPOSITION AN ACFT. WE DEPARTED PHL AT APPROX XA00 ON AN IFR PLAN. WX WAS CEILING 600 FT VISIBILITY, 3 MI IN FOG. THE FLT TO PTW WAS UNEVENTFUL. WE BROKE OUT AT ABOUT 1100 FT AND HAD A 3-4 MI VISIBILITY IN FOG. MINIMUMS WERE 820 FT AND 1 MI. PTW IS UNCTLED AND, ON THE GND, I CALLED PHL APCH TO CANCEL IFR. THE CTLR ASKED WHAT THE WX WAS LIKE ON OUR APCH BECAUSE HE HAD ANOTHER ACFT HOLDING FOR THE APCH. I LOOKED AT MY CLIPBOARD AND SAID IT WAS APPROX 600 FT AND 3 MI. THIS OF COURSE WAS THE WRONG WX. THIS WAS THE PHL WX WE HAD GOTTEN ON DEP. I DIDN'T REALIZE MY MISTAKE UNTIL LATER THAT NIGHT WHILE DRIVING HOME. THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A PROB FOR THE PLT HOLDING FOR THE APCH OR OTHER PLTS LNDG AT PTW THAT NIGHT. THEY MIGHT DIVERT THINKING THAT THE WX WAS WORSE THAN IT WAS. LEADING TO THIS MISTAKE WAS A COMMON FACTOR - A VERY LONG DAY AT THE ARPT. AS A CFI, I SPEND ALL DAY AT THE ARPT. I MAY ONLY FLY 4 HRS BUT I AM ON DUTY MAYBE 12 OR 14 HRS. THE REGS SAY 8 HRS OF FLT INSTRUCTIONS, BUT THEY DON'T MENTION DUTY TIME. THERE SHOULD BE MANDATORY REST PERIODS FOR FLT INSTRUCTORS. DUTY HRS (OFFICE-FLT-GND) SHOULD BE KEPT TRACK OF. IT IS TRUE THAT SOME CFI'S WILL DO ANYTHING FOR MONEY, BUT WE MUST POLICE OURSELVES TO AVOID DANGEROUS SITS. ADDING REGS FOR MANDATORY REST PERIODS IS A GOOD STARTING POINT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.