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Attributes | |
ACN | 299742 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : rnt |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea tower : rnt |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 299742 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation |
Narrative:
This was an IFR training flight to terminate at rnt. WX was about 2500 ft broken, scattered rain. Visibility lower to north. NDB-15 is a radar approach, requiring seattle approach to call the final approach fix, hakim. We were at 2100 ft, cleared to track final approach course inbound, controller said he would call hakim. Student thought we hadn't heard from approach for a long time, so he called approach with a reminder. Controller apologized, saying we were 2 mi inside hakim and we should go to tower. (Visually we were more like 3 mi inside, still at 2000 ft). This location required the student to go visual and full rudder sideslip to make the runway - at night with reduced visibility. Not the best training situation. Once on the runway, there was significant standing water and the asphalt was slick. In addition, the paint lines on the runway were difficult to see, necessitating a long roll-out. Tower had cleared a C-210 to land behind us and since we were slow to exit, issued a go around to the 210. Other pilot reported that he was STOL and could wait till we were clear. On exiting the runway, looking back saw the 210 just a couple of ft above the runway. Nothing really unsafe happened, but the airspace incursion and unusual maneuvering on the part of both airplanes was precipitated by the controller's forgetting to call hakim. This at an airport where pilots have been violated recently for forgetting to report before entering class D airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: APCH CTLR FORGOT TO NOTIFY FLC AT RADAR FIX ON INST APCH.
Narrative: THIS WAS AN IFR TRAINING FLT TO TERMINATE AT RNT. WX WAS ABOUT 2500 FT BROKEN, SCATTERED RAIN. VISIBILITY LOWER TO N. NDB-15 IS A RADAR APCH, REQUIRING SEATTLE APCH TO CALL THE FINAL APCH FIX, HAKIM. WE WERE AT 2100 FT, CLRED TO TRACK FINAL APCH COURSE INBOUND, CTLR SAID HE WOULD CALL HAKIM. STUDENT THOUGHT WE HADN'T HEARD FROM APCH FOR A LONG TIME, SO HE CALLED APCH WITH A REMINDER. CTLR APOLOGIZED, SAYING WE WERE 2 MI INSIDE HAKIM AND WE SHOULD GO TO TWR. (VISUALLY WE WERE MORE LIKE 3 MI INSIDE, STILL AT 2000 FT). THIS LOCATION REQUIRED THE STUDENT TO GO VISUAL AND FULL RUDDER SIDESLIP TO MAKE THE RWY - AT NIGHT WITH REDUCED VISIBILITY. NOT THE BEST TRAINING SIT. ONCE ON THE RWY, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT STANDING WATER AND THE ASPHALT WAS SLICK. IN ADDITION, THE PAINT LINES ON THE RWY WERE DIFFICULT TO SEE, NECESSITATING A LONG ROLL-OUT. TWR HAD CLRED A C-210 TO LAND BEHIND US AND SINCE WE WERE SLOW TO EXIT, ISSUED A GAR TO THE 210. OTHER PLT RPTED THAT HE WAS STOL AND COULD WAIT TILL WE WERE CLR. ON EXITING THE RWY, LOOKING BACK SAW THE 210 JUST A COUPLE OF FT ABOVE THE RWY. NOTHING REALLY UNSAFE HAPPENED, BUT THE AIRSPACE INCURSION AND UNUSUAL MANEUVERING ON THE PART OF BOTH AIRPLANES WAS PRECIPITATED BY THE CTLR'S FORGETTING TO CALL HAKIM. THIS AT AN ARPT WHERE PLTS HAVE BEEN VIOLATED RECENTLY FOR FORGETTING TO RPT BEFORE ENTERING CLASS D AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.