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Attributes | |
ACN | 300368 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : gsh airport : mdw |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 22000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 300368 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 75 |
ASRS Report | 300474 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
During descent inbound to cross the drivr fix at 10000 ft, ATC advised me to maintain 320 KTS. This was an increase of 20 KTS above my normal descent speed of 300 KTS. I complied, but when I leveled off at the drivr intersection, at 10000 ft, I began to slow to 250 KTS. This apparently caused a backup of traffic behind me and chicago ATC wanted to know why I had slowed. I advised that I had slowed in preparation for the next crossing restr and that my understanding of the clearance was to maintain 320 KTS in the descent - not until advised by ATC. Apparently ATC is of the other opinion. I offered and did increase my speed again, but still got chewed out by the current controller and was then told to switch back to the prior controller who also chewed me out. I don't feel that I was advised to maintain 320 KTS until advised and my first officer agrees with me. While we were descending to 10000 ft, we actually discussed the speed to program at the drivr intersection. I did call and discuss the situation with an ATC supervisor at ZAU and explained my position. He was receptive. I feel the speed instructions were not clear.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPD VIOLATION.
Narrative: DURING DSCNT INBOUND TO CROSS THE DRIVR FIX AT 10000 FT, ATC ADVISED ME TO MAINTAIN 320 KTS. THIS WAS AN INCREASE OF 20 KTS ABOVE MY NORMAL DSCNT SPD OF 300 KTS. I COMPLIED, BUT WHEN I LEVELED OFF AT THE DRIVR INTXN, AT 10000 FT, I BEGAN TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. THIS APPARENTLY CAUSED A BACKUP OF TFC BEHIND ME AND CHICAGO ATC WANTED TO KNOW WHY I HAD SLOWED. I ADVISED THAT I HAD SLOWED IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEXT XING RESTR AND THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CLRNC WAS TO MAINTAIN 320 KTS IN THE DSCNT - NOT UNTIL ADVISED BY ATC. APPARENTLY ATC IS OF THE OTHER OPINION. I OFFERED AND DID INCREASE MY SPD AGAIN, BUT STILL GOT CHEWED OUT BY THE CURRENT CTLR AND WAS THEN TOLD TO SWITCH BACK TO THE PRIOR CTLR WHO ALSO CHEWED ME OUT. I DON'T FEEL THAT I WAS ADVISED TO MAINTAIN 320 KTS UNTIL ADVISED AND MY FO AGREES WITH ME. WHILE WE WERE DSNDING TO 10000 FT, WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED THE SPD TO PROGRAM AT THE DRIVR INTXN. I DID CALL AND DISCUSS THE SIT WITH AN ATC SUPVR AT ZAU AND EXPLAINED MY POS. HE WAS RECEPTIVE. I FEEL THE SPD INSTRUCTIONS WERE NOT CLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.