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Attributes | |
ACN | 300502 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sax |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : iah |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 300502 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We're in cruise 12000 ft. We get an TCASII RA to 'descend now' at 2500 FPM. Apparently a VFR traffic aircraft descended down upon us - we never saw it. Even descending the VFR traffic came within 500 ft of us. We notified ny departure of the RA. They notified us of traffic after that - a little too late! The point is: ATC usually notifies us of VFR traffic when it's right on top of us - too late by then. They're so busy vectoring IFR traffic, aircraft separation is a bottom priority.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC.
Narrative: WE'RE IN CRUISE 12000 FT. WE GET AN TCASII RA TO 'DSND NOW' AT 2500 FPM. APPARENTLY A VFR TFC ACFT DSNDED DOWN UPON US - WE NEVER SAW IT. EVEN DSNDING THE VFR TFC CAME WITHIN 500 FT OF US. WE NOTIFIED NY DEP OF THE RA. THEY NOTIFIED US OF TFC AFTER THAT - A LITTLE TOO LATE! THE POINT IS: ATC USUALLY NOTIFIES US OF VFR TFC WHEN IT'S RIGHT ON TOP OF US - TOO LATE BY THEN. THEY'RE SO BUSY VECTORING IFR TFC, ACFT SEPARATION IS A BOTTOM PRIORITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.