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Attributes | |
ACN | 300536 |
Time | |
Date | 199503 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mex |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9600 msl bound upper : 9600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mex |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 140 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 300536 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Airport | other physical facility |
Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
On intercept heading for ILS runway 23L at mex city airport, approach coupler captured localizer, aircraft started to turn to inbound heading when localizer signal was lost. Then LNAV had a large map shift. Approach, when asked if localizer was still working, simply cleared us for a VOR runway 23L approach. We were unable to get any signal for mex VOR, and with airport finally in sight but too high, we executed a go around and told tower who said to fly the published missed approach. Catch 22, the miss is a climb to plaza NDB (mw) then turn left to mex VOR which is off the air. On vectors for the 2ND ILS runway 23L approach, the controller gives us a 110 degree intercept, 4 mi outside the final approach fix. Communication is still a problem but the biggest one is that monitoring equipment for navaids isn't located in the tower or control room where it is needed. Even in the states, the monitor equipment is at the FSS across the field. It should be next to the final controller so when asked by a pilot, he can instantly check it and reply. Then if it is out, the controller can switch to another type of approach or runway.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NAVAID PROB.
Narrative: ON INTERCEPT HDG FOR ILS RWY 23L AT MEX CITY ARPT, APCH COUPLER CAPTURED LOC, ACFT STARTED TO TURN TO INBOUND HDG WHEN LOC SIGNAL WAS LOST. THEN LNAV HAD A LARGE MAP SHIFT. APCH, WHEN ASKED IF LOC WAS STILL WORKING, SIMPLY CLRED US FOR A VOR RWY 23L APCH. WE WERE UNABLE TO GET ANY SIGNAL FOR MEX VOR, AND WITH ARPT FINALLY IN SIGHT BUT TOO HIGH, WE EXECUTED A GAR AND TOLD TWR WHO SAID TO FLY THE PUBLISHED MISSED APCH. CATCH 22, THE MISS IS A CLB TO PLAZA NDB (MW) THEN TURN L TO MEX VOR WHICH IS OFF THE AIR. ON VECTORS FOR THE 2ND ILS RWY 23L APCH, THE CTLR GIVES US A 110 DEG INTERCEPT, 4 MI OUTSIDE THE FINAL APCH FIX. COM IS STILL A PROB BUT THE BIGGEST ONE IS THAT MONITORING EQUIP FOR NAVAIDS ISN'T LOCATED IN THE TWR OR CTL ROOM WHERE IT IS NEEDED. EVEN IN THE STATES, THE MONITOR EQUIP IS AT THE FSS ACROSS THE FIELD. IT SHOULD BE NEXT TO THE FINAL CTLR SO WHEN ASKED BY A PLT, HE CAN INSTANTLY CHK IT AND REPLY. THEN IF IT IS OUT, THE CTLR CAN SWITCH TO ANOTHER TYPE OF APCH OR RWY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.