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Attributes | |
ACN | 301291 |
Time | |
Date | 199504 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time type : 75 |
ASRS Report | 301291 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2340 |
ASRS Report | 301292 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Another altitude bust caused by similar call signs and the approach controller's failure to catch our readback. We were on the cetus arrival into dtw runway 21R, level at 12000 ft. Our call sign was yyz and there was an xyz on the frequency, also. We evidently took a heading and altitude change that was meant for xyz. We descended to 9000 ft and were level for several mins before the approach controller noticed the mistake and told us to climb up to 11000 ft. He changed that to 10000 ft after the climb was started. There was no conflict, that I know of, with other aircraft. Evidently the controller missed our readback or it was blocked. Similar call signs on the same frequency during busy hub times are still a big problem for both pilots and controllers. Supplemental information from acn 301292: just before gloze, we were given 'turn left to 300 degrees and descend to 9000 ft.' we read back 'left 300 degrees down to 9000 ft.' we received an acknowledgement and I repeated 300 degrees down to 9000 ft. I said we read back 300 degrees and 9000 ft and controller said it was blocked.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR ERROR ADMITTED IN ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION.
Narrative: ANOTHER ALT BUST CAUSED BY SIMILAR CALL SIGNS AND THE APCH CTLR'S FAILURE TO CATCH OUR READBACK. WE WERE ON THE CETUS ARR INTO DTW RWY 21R, LEVEL AT 12000 FT. OUR CALL SIGN WAS YYZ AND THERE WAS AN XYZ ON THE FREQ, ALSO. WE EVIDENTLY TOOK A HDG AND ALT CHANGE THAT WAS MEANT FOR XYZ. WE DSNDED TO 9000 FT AND WERE LEVEL FOR SEVERAL MINS BEFORE THE APCH CTLR NOTICED THE MISTAKE AND TOLD US TO CLB UP TO 11000 FT. HE CHANGED THAT TO 10000 FT AFTER THE CLB WAS STARTED. THERE WAS NO CONFLICT, THAT I KNOW OF, WITH OTHER ACFT. EVIDENTLY THE CTLR MISSED OUR READBACK OR IT WAS BLOCKED. SIMILAR CALL SIGNS ON THE SAME FREQ DURING BUSY HUB TIMES ARE STILL A BIG PROB FOR BOTH PLTS AND CTLRS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 301292: JUST BEFORE GLOZE, WE WERE GIVEN 'TURN L TO 300 DEGS AND DSND TO 9000 FT.' WE READ BACK 'L 300 DEGS DOWN TO 9000 FT.' WE RECEIVED AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND I REPEATED 300 DEGS DOWN TO 9000 FT. I SAID WE READ BACK 300 DEGS AND 9000 FT AND CTLR SAID IT WAS BLOCKED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.