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Pilot of cpr small transport was startled by the close proximity of an mlt in the traffic pattern while overflying an airport.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 303142 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199504 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pmd airport : edw |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 4500 msl bound upper : 4500 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : edw |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | DC-10 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | other : other |
| Navigation In Use | Other |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 3500 flight time type : 50 |
| ASRS Report | 303142 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : military |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : military |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 100 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Cruise en route to edwards via rosamond in contact with joshua approach for flight following. Joshua called traffic co-altitude at 7 O'clock, a KC10. They were at 9 O'clock nose-on, gear down in the palmdale landing pattern. I know I was at the palmdale pattern altitude, but hadn't really thought about it. Also thought that being in communication with joshua would make it ok to be closer to palmdale than 5 NM. Both I think serious mistakes. I didn't need to be at 4500 ft and could/should have voiced any concern about pmd's proximity to joshua. No evasive action was even close to necessary, but another 1-2 mi east and it could have been.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF CPR SMT WAS STARTLED BY THE CLOSE PROX OF AN MLT IN THE TFC PATTERN WHILE OVERFLYING AN ARPT.
Narrative: CRUISE ENRTE TO EDWARDS VIA ROSAMOND IN CONTACT WITH JOSHUA APCH FOR FLT FOLLOWING. JOSHUA CALLED TFC CO-ALT AT 7 O'CLOCK, A KC10. THEY WERE AT 9 O'CLOCK NOSE-ON, GEAR DOWN IN THE PALMDALE LNDG PATTERN. I KNOW I WAS AT THE PALMDALE PATTERN ALT, BUT HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT. ALSO THOUGHT THAT BEING IN COM WITH JOSHUA WOULD MAKE IT OK TO BE CLOSER TO PALMDALE THAN 5 NM. BOTH I THINK SERIOUS MISTAKES. I DIDN'T NEED TO BE AT 4500 FT AND COULD/SHOULD HAVE VOICED ANY CONCERN ABOUT PMD'S PROX TO JOSHUA. NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS EVEN CLOSE TO NECESSARY, BUT ANOTHER 1-2 MI E AND IT COULD HAVE BEEN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.