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Attributes | |
ACN | 312770 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10600 msl bound upper : 11000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : den |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other arrival star : star |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 312770 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Inbound on STAR arrival from east with extensive detouring east of denver. Air carrier X at 11000 ft observed extensive clouds and virga ahead. Temperature and dewpoint spread more than 50 degree F, and low level windshear alerts active at den caused me to be very alert for severe WX. My company advises its pilots to 'not fly underneath virga' if possible. While still about 20 mi from the virga, I requested lower altitude and was told by approach it would be 'about 7 more mi.' after 10 mi or so I again requested lower. No answer from ATC. Shortly after, turbulence began that rapidly increased to moderate with a few severe jolts. Aircraft rolled up to 20 degrees and pitched up about 10 degrees with a 20 KTS loss of airspeed. I asked for lower and heard another transmission on frequency when I finished transmitting. Obviously I was blocked. I asked for lower again and no reply. Intensity of turbulence increased as we entered the virga with the aircraft becoming more uncontrollable. I reduced power and held an approximately flat altitude. I announced on frequency that I was leaving 11000 ft. Aircraft descended to 10600 ft where turbulence intensity reduced considerably. I again transmitted to approach that 'I need a lower altitude.' he immediately came back with 'I see you have descended,' and cleared me to 9000 ft. Later, under vectors the controller admonished me to 'never do that again, you were right over the departure path where aircraft are cleared to 10000 ft,' ie, only a 1000 ft separation. I told him I'd never done anything like that in 30 yrs of flying. I called him on the ground, spoke to his supervisor and learned that the controller was distracted by 2 airplanes ahead of me that were not following vectors due to similar turbulence encounters (or expected encounters) and a B727 had just broken off on final approach due to heavy turbulence and low level windshear warnings. I explained that I was very uncomfortable about the altitude deviation, that TCASII had shown no nearby traffic, and that I was prepared to declare an emergency if ordered to regain 11000 ft in that area. The supervisor had checked already and told me there was no traffic conflict but the potential for trouble was high in that exact area. We all agreed it was a troubling and vexing situation with rapidly developing overload for ATC. My question is, why can't pilots be given an 'escape route' routinely, during severe WX operations on staar arrs? Sids have lost communication procedures, overwater airway rtes include specific procedures for exiting the airway in an emergency (usually engine failure).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X ALTDEV DUE TO TURB.
Narrative: INBOUND ON STAR ARR FROM E WITH EXTENSIVE DETOURING E OF DENVER. ACR X AT 11000 FT OBSERVED EXTENSIVE CLOUDS AND VIRGA AHEAD. TEMPERATURE AND DEWPOINT SPREAD MORE THAN 50 DEG F, AND LOW LEVEL WINDSHEAR ALERTS ACTIVE AT DEN CAUSED ME TO BE VERY ALERT FOR SEVERE WX. MY COMPANY ADVISES ITS PLTS TO 'NOT FLY UNDERNEATH VIRGA' IF POSSIBLE. WHILE STILL ABOUT 20 MI FROM THE VIRGA, I REQUESTED LOWER ALT AND WAS TOLD BY APCH IT WOULD BE 'ABOUT 7 MORE MI.' AFTER 10 MI OR SO I AGAIN REQUESTED LOWER. NO ANSWER FROM ATC. SHORTLY AFTER, TURB BEGAN THAT RAPIDLY INCREASED TO MODERATE WITH A FEW SEVERE JOLTS. ACFT ROLLED UP TO 20 DEGS AND PITCHED UP ABOUT 10 DEGS WITH A 20 KTS LOSS OF AIRSPD. I ASKED FOR LOWER AND HEARD ANOTHER XMISSION ON FREQ WHEN I FINISHED XMITTING. OBVIOUSLY I WAS BLOCKED. I ASKED FOR LOWER AGAIN AND NO REPLY. INTENSITY OF TURB INCREASED AS WE ENTERED THE VIRGA WITH THE ACFT BECOMING MORE UNCONTROLLABLE. I REDUCED PWR AND HELD AN APPROX FLAT ALT. I ANNOUNCED ON FREQ THAT I WAS LEAVING 11000 FT. ACFT DSNDED TO 10600 FT WHERE TURB INTENSITY REDUCED CONSIDERABLY. I AGAIN XMITTED TO APCH THAT 'I NEED A LOWER ALT.' HE IMMEDIATELY CAME BACK WITH 'I SEE YOU HAVE DSNDED,' AND CLRED ME TO 9000 FT. LATER, UNDER VECTORS THE CTLR ADMONISHED ME TO 'NEVER DO THAT AGAIN, YOU WERE RIGHT OVER THE DEP PATH WHERE ACFT ARE CLRED TO 10000 FT,' IE, ONLY A 1000 FT SEPARATION. I TOLD HIM I'D NEVER DONE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN 30 YRS OF FLYING. I CALLED HIM ON THE GND, SPOKE TO HIS SUPVR AND LEARNED THAT THE CTLR WAS DISTRACTED BY 2 AIRPLANES AHEAD OF ME THAT WERE NOT FOLLOWING VECTORS DUE TO SIMILAR TURB ENCOUNTERS (OR EXPECTED ENCOUNTERS) AND A B727 HAD JUST BROKEN OFF ON FINAL APCH DUE TO HVY TURB AND LOW LEVEL WINDSHEAR WARNINGS. I EXPLAINED THAT I WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT THE ALTDEV, THAT TCASII HAD SHOWN NO NEARBY TFC, AND THAT I WAS PREPARED TO DECLARE AN EMER IF ORDERED TO REGAIN 11000 FT IN THAT AREA. THE SUPVR HAD CHKED ALREADY AND TOLD ME THERE WAS NO TFC CONFLICT BUT THE POTENTIAL FOR TROUBLE WAS HIGH IN THAT EXACT AREA. WE ALL AGREED IT WAS A TROUBLING AND VEXING SIT WITH RAPIDLY DEVELOPING OVERLOAD FOR ATC. MY QUESTION IS, WHY CAN'T PLTS BE GIVEN AN 'ESCAPE RTE' ROUTINELY, DURING SEVERE WX OPS ON STAAR ARRS? SIDS HAVE LOST COM PROCS, OVERWATER AIRWAY RTES INCLUDE SPECIFIC PROCS FOR EXITING THE AIRWAY IN AN EMER (USUALLY ENG FAILURE).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.