Instructor pilot report of penetration of class B airspace.

Attributes
ACN	313700
Time
Date	199508
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : ckh airport : hnl
State Reference	HI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 6500 msl bound upper : 6500
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zhn tracon : hnl
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : direct enroute other
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : single pilot instruction : instructor
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 1300 flight time type : 10
ASRS Report	313700
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	other personnel other
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other
Situations
ATC Facility	other physical facility

Narrative:

We were approaching the hnl class B airspace from the northeast at 6500 ft MSL. At 15 NM from the outer limit of the class B airspace, we asked hnl center for a handoff to hnl approach control. (Note -- we were in radar contact with hnl center for VFR flight following). As we approached the class B boundary, we asked center for the handoff again. Because hnl approach did not have us on radar, center did not hand us off. We offered to hold in VFR conditions outside of the class B airspace, however center instructed us to fly directly to the ckh VOR (which was located within the class B airspace) so that approach would pick us up on radar. We flew to the ckh VOR but did not have a clearance to enter the class B airspace. Over ckh, hnl approach finally located us on radar and cleared us for the B airspace. We obviously need better radar coverage northeast of the hnl class B airspace to avoid radar detection problems and to help obtain clrncs into the B airspace more efficiently.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT RPT OF PENETRATION OF CLASS B AIRSPACE.

Narrative: WE WERE APCHING THE HNL CLASS B AIRSPACE FROM THE NE AT 6500 FT MSL. AT 15 NM FROM THE OUTER LIMIT OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, WE ASKED HNL CTR FOR A HDOF TO HNL APCH CTL. (NOTE -- WE WERE IN RADAR CONTACT WITH HNL CTR FOR VFR FLT FOLLOWING). AS WE APCHED THE CLASS B BOUNDARY, WE ASKED CTR FOR THE HDOF AGAIN. BECAUSE HNL APCH DID NOT HAVE US ON RADAR, CTR DID NOT HAND US OFF. WE OFFERED TO HOLD IN VFR CONDITIONS OUTSIDE OF THE CLASS B AIRSPACE, HOWEVER CTR INSTRUCTED US TO FLY DIRECTLY TO THE CKH VOR (WHICH WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE CLASS B AIRSPACE) SO THAT APCH WOULD PICK US UP ON RADAR. WE FLEW TO THE CKH VOR BUT DID NOT HAVE A CLRNC TO ENTER THE CLASS B AIRSPACE. OVER CKH, HNL APCH FINALLY LOCATED US ON RADAR AND CLRED US FOR THE B AIRSPACE. WE OBVIOUSLY NEED BETTER RADAR COVERAGE NE OF THE HNL CLASS B AIRSPACE TO AVOID RADAR DETECTION PROBS AND TO HELP OBTAIN CLRNCS INTO THE B AIRSPACE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.