Instructor pilot ATCT local controller behavior aggression exhibited when PA60 aircraft performs an ...

Attributes
ACN	350640
Time
Date	199610
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : vgt
State Reference	NV
Altitude	msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : las tower : vgt
Operator	general aviation : personal
Make Model Name	PA-60 602 Aerostar
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer instruction : instructor oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 500
ASRS Report	350640
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain instruction : trainee
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	flight crew : exited penetrated airspace other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

During a training flight from north las vegas, I 'pulled' the right engine on my client right after takeoff. During the cleanup phase, the tower advised us to turn crosswind because we entered las vegas class B airspace. My GPS indicated that we were 1.5 mi off the end of runway 7. When I told him this, he said 'do you want me to start the paperwork?' I said 'we are going to be here all day doing engine outs, go ahead.' the tower operator has no idea the airspace required to do single engine work. His remarks caused unneeded conversation on the frequency, and great animosity between us. This is totally unacceptable and unprofessional. If this jerk is going to monitor this situation, I suggest that in addition to the signs stating to 'use noise abatement procedures,' 'check density altitude,' 'IFR pilots can contact approach control on XXXX,' etc., a sign stating 'warning, las vegas and nellis class B airspace within 2 NM of north las vegas airport, turn crosswind accordingly.' I also suggest that this particular controller go back to the FAA academy and receive recurrent training and some sensitivity training.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: INSTRUCTOR PLT ATCT LCL CTLR BEHAVIOR AGGRESSION EXHIBITED WHEN PA60 ACFT PERFORMS AN UNAUTH PENETRATION OF CLASS B AIRSPACE. TRAINING IN PROGRESS.

Narrative: DURING A TRAINING FLT FROM NORTH LAS VEGAS, I 'PULLED' THE R ENG ON MY CLIENT RIGHT AFTER TKOF. DURING THE CLEANUP PHASE, THE TWR ADVISED US TO TURN XWIND BECAUSE WE ENTERED LAS VEGAS CLASS B AIRSPACE. MY GPS INDICATED THAT WE WERE 1.5 MI OFF THE END OF RWY 7. WHEN I TOLD HIM THIS, HE SAID 'DO YOU WANT ME TO START THE PAPERWORK?' I SAID 'WE ARE GOING TO BE HERE ALL DAY DOING ENG OUTS, GO AHEAD.' THE TWR OPERATOR HAS NO IDEA THE AIRSPACE REQUIRED TO DO SINGLE ENG WORK. HIS REMARKS CAUSED UNNEEDED CONVERSATION ON THE FREQ, AND GREAT ANIMOSITY BTWN US. THIS IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE AND UNPROFESSIONAL. IF THIS JERK IS GOING TO MONITOR THIS SIT, I SUGGEST THAT IN ADDITION TO THE SIGNS STATING TO 'USE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS,' 'CHK DENSITY ALT,' 'IFR PLTS CAN CONTACT APCH CTL ON XXXX,' ETC., A SIGN STATING 'WARNING, LAS VEGAS AND NELLIS CLASS B AIRSPACE WITHIN 2 NM OF NORTH LAS VEGAS ARPT, TURN XWIND ACCORDINGLY.' I ALSO SUGGEST THAT THIS PARTICULAR CTLR GO BACK TO THE FAA ACADEMY AND RECEIVE RECURRENT TRAINING AND SOME SENSITIVITY TRAINING.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Instructor pilot ATCT local controller behavior aggression exhibited when PA60 aircraft performs an unauthorized penetration of class B airspace. Training in progress.