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Attributes | |
ACN | 314596 |
Time | |
Date | 199508 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : las |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5500 msl bound upper : 5700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : las |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 314596 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Air carrier X was cleared for a visual to runway 25L to follow our company straight-in from the east. We had just passed the 10 DME restr for 6000 ft to remain in the class B and began descending, while configuring for the approach. The TCASII had numerous targets and initially had shown the company airplane we were following as a conflict. As we slowed up and the company gained adequate spacing on us, the TCASII verbally announced traffic from our left. I looked but couldn't find him. The TCASII announced, 'reduce descent' with a red target at 11 O'clock. I acquired visually the traffic, told the copilot he was low at 11 O'clock coming right for us. We leveled off at 5700 ft just as approach frequency became blocked with several xmissions and an excited voice yelling, 'air carrier X level at 5700 ft now!' I said, 'we're level at 5700 ft, and we have the twin beech in sight passing underneath us.' we missed the aircraft by 200 ft thanks to the TCASII warnings. The tower controller asked us to call him on the phone when we landed. The supervisor said it was an internal problem as the controller was working both aircraft, had failed to advise either airplane, and lost separation on the beechcraft and us. I stated I was not filing a near miss, because we had acquired the aircraft visually, we did not initiate evasive action, and I could see we were going to miss him. I was in a position to maneuver our airplane away from the beechcraft had he become a collision threat. I asked if the twin was filing a report, and the controller said no.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X TCASII RA HAD NMAC LTSS FROM TWIN BEECH. EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: ACR X WAS CLRED FOR A VISUAL TO RWY 25L TO FOLLOW OUR COMPANY STRAIGHT-IN FROM THE E. WE HAD JUST PASSED THE 10 DME RESTR FOR 6000 FT TO REMAIN IN THE CLASS B AND BEGAN DSNDING, WHILE CONFIGURING FOR THE APCH. THE TCASII HAD NUMEROUS TARGETS AND INITIALLY HAD SHOWN THE COMPANY AIRPLANE WE WERE FOLLOWING AS A CONFLICT. AS WE SLOWED UP AND THE COMPANY GAINED ADEQUATE SPACING ON US, THE TCASII VERBALLY ANNOUNCED TFC FROM OUR L. I LOOKED BUT COULDN'T FIND HIM. THE TCASII ANNOUNCED, 'REDUCE DSCNT' WITH A RED TARGET AT 11 O'CLOCK. I ACQUIRED VISUALLY THE TFC, TOLD THE COPLT HE WAS LOW AT 11 O'CLOCK COMING RIGHT FOR US. WE LEVELED OFF AT 5700 FT JUST AS APCH FREQ BECAME BLOCKED WITH SEVERAL XMISSIONS AND AN EXCITED VOICE YELLING, 'ACR X LEVEL AT 5700 FT NOW!' I SAID, 'WE'RE LEVEL AT 5700 FT, AND WE HAVE THE TWIN BEECH IN SIGHT PASSING UNDERNEATH US.' WE MISSED THE ACFT BY 200 FT THANKS TO THE TCASII WARNINGS. THE TWR CTLR ASKED US TO CALL HIM ON THE PHONE WHEN WE LANDED. THE SUPVR SAID IT WAS AN INTERNAL PROB AS THE CTLR WAS WORKING BOTH ACFT, HAD FAILED TO ADVISE EITHER AIRPLANE, AND LOST SEPARATION ON THE BEECHCRAFT AND US. I STATED I WAS NOT FILING A NEAR MISS, BECAUSE WE HAD ACQUIRED THE ACFT VISUALLY, WE DID NOT INITIATE EVASIVE ACTION, AND I COULD SEE WE WERE GOING TO MISS HIM. I WAS IN A POS TO MANEUVER OUR AIRPLANE AWAY FROM THE BEECHCRAFT HAD HE BECOME A COLLISION THREAT. I ASKED IF THE TWIN WAS FILING A RPT, AND THE CTLR SAID NO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.