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Attributes | |
ACN | 317230 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bna |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bna tower : gpm |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 317230 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were on a flight from bhm to bna. Heavy rain on takeoff from bhm and rain pretty much constant en route. Area of thunderstorms from south of bhm to north of bna. Flight attendants stayed seated entire flight because of turbulence. Numerous deviations en route and descent into bna because of thunderstorms. On check-in with bna approach, we were told to expect runway 20R ILS. First officer was flying and ILS runway 20R was briefed. Not long after, we were changed to ILS runway 20L, and we quickly briefed that approach. On a close-in downwind, we were changed again to runway 20R ILS, turned on a 10-11 mi base (close-in) and slowed to 170 KTS. We were still at about 4900 ft MSL, descending. We were turned on final and told to maintain 170 KTS to the FAF. The first officer was relatively new and with the change in approachs, close-in finals, and trying to get in another quick brief for ILS runway 20R, he started to get a little overloaded, as was I. We configured and slowed to about 145 KTS at about 8 mi. The approach controller asked us our airspeed, and I stated we were slowing to approach. He jumped all over us, stated that we were told to maintain 170 KTS to the marker, there was traffic to follow. Rather than argue, I stated we would pick up the speed. We landed uneventfully. The approach controller was busy with traffic and the deviations for WX, but they don't seem to understand that we're busy too. They changed our approach runway twice, never told us our sequence, and expect us to maintain speed on a close-in final in WX. A great help to pilots is if the controllers can tell pilots their sequence on approach, especially if #1.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ON APCH FAILS TO MAINTAIN REQUESTED SPD.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A FLT FROM BHM TO BNA. HVY RAIN ON TKOF FROM BHM AND RAIN PRETTY MUCH CONSTANT ENRTE. AREA OF TSTMS FROM S OF BHM TO N OF BNA. FLT ATTENDANTS STAYED SEATED ENTIRE FLT BECAUSE OF TURB. NUMEROUS DEVS ENRTE AND DSCNT INTO BNA BECAUSE OF TSTMS. ON CHK-IN WITH BNA APCH, WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT RWY 20R ILS. FO WAS FLYING AND ILS RWY 20R WAS BRIEFED. NOT LONG AFTER, WE WERE CHANGED TO ILS RWY 20L, AND WE QUICKLY BRIEFED THAT APCH. ON A CLOSE-IN DOWNWIND, WE WERE CHANGED AGAIN TO RWY 20R ILS, TURNED ON A 10-11 MI BASE (CLOSE-IN) AND SLOWED TO 170 KTS. WE WERE STILL AT ABOUT 4900 FT MSL, DSNDING. WE WERE TURNED ON FINAL AND TOLD TO MAINTAIN 170 KTS TO THE FAF. THE FO WAS RELATIVELY NEW AND WITH THE CHANGE IN APCHS, CLOSE-IN FINALS, AND TRYING TO GET IN ANOTHER QUICK BRIEF FOR ILS RWY 20R, HE STARTED TO GET A LITTLE OVERLOADED, AS WAS I. WE CONFIGURED AND SLOWED TO ABOUT 145 KTS AT ABOUT 8 MI. THE APCH CTLR ASKED US OUR AIRSPD, AND I STATED WE WERE SLOWING TO APCH. HE JUMPED ALL OVER US, STATED THAT WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 170 KTS TO THE MARKER, THERE WAS TFC TO FOLLOW. RATHER THAN ARGUE, I STATED WE WOULD PICK UP THE SPD. WE LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. THE APCH CTLR WAS BUSY WITH TFC AND THE DEVS FOR WX, BUT THEY DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE BUSY TOO. THEY CHANGED OUR APCH RWY TWICE, NEVER TOLD US OUR SEQUENCE, AND EXPECT US TO MAINTAIN SPD ON A CLOSE-IN FINAL IN WX. A GREAT HELP TO PLTS IS IF THE CTLRS CAN TELL PLTS THEIR SEQUENCE ON APCH, ESPECIALLY IF #1.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.