Alleged altitude deviation altitude crossing restr not met, non adherence to ATC clearance instructi...

Attributes
ACN	319058
Time
Date	199510
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : td airport : hkg
State Reference	FO
Altitude	msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 14000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : hkg
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B747-400
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	cruise other descent : approach descent other
Route In Use	enroute : pacific enroute : other oceanic enroute other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer observation : observer other personnel other
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 400
ASRS Report	319058
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Navigational Facility
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Hong kong approach supervisor informed us upon taxiing in after landing to call them after we blocked in. Aircraft landing behind us was also directed to call in. Supervisor told captain that we didn't comply with the FL140 at 30 mi east of td restr. We never knew about it and couldn't find it anywhere in our navigation data. All we could find was FL140 at 30 mi east of ch. Ch was OTS at the time. First of all it was very distracting and confusing to have the supervisor ask us to call when we were busy taxiing in. Second, hong kong approachs and procedures are overly complex with little notes and procedures scattered throughout our navigation pubs. We never did find where it dictated that we be at FL140 30 mi from td. Apparently the aircraft behind us didn't either.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ALLEGED ALTDEV ALT XING RESTR NOT MET, NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC INSTRUCTION.

Narrative: HONG KONG APCH SUPVR INFORMED US UPON TAXIING IN AFTER LNDG TO CALL THEM AFTER WE BLOCKED IN. ACFT LNDG BEHIND US WAS ALSO DIRECTED TO CALL IN. SUPVR TOLD CAPT THAT WE DIDN'T COMPLY WITH THE FL140 AT 30 MI E OF TD RESTR. WE NEVER KNEW ABOUT IT AND COULDN'T FIND IT ANYWHERE IN OUR NAV DATA. ALL WE COULD FIND WAS FL140 AT 30 MI E OF CH. CH WAS OTS AT THE TIME. FIRST OF ALL IT WAS VERY DISTRACTING AND CONFUSING TO HAVE THE SUPVR ASK US TO CALL WHEN WE WERE BUSY TAXIING IN. SECOND, HONG KONG APCHS AND PROCS ARE OVERLY COMPLEX WITH LITTLE NOTES AND PROCS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT OUR NAV PUBS. WE NEVER DID FIND WHERE IT DICTATED THAT WE BE AT FL140 30 MI FROM TD. APPARENTLY THE ACFT BEHIND US DIDN'T EITHER.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Alleged altitude deviation altitude crossing restr not met, non adherence to ATC clearance instruction.