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Attributes | |
ACN | 319364 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : anc |
State Reference | AK |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-C/F |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9600 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 319364 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
For foreign international carriers, the rules of part 91 of the us far's are different from other countries in certain respects, and more restrictive than the corresponding ICAO rules. A case in point is far 91.213 which seems to say that an MEL provided in the aom by the foreign carrier cannot be used unless there's a LOA 'issued by the FAA FSDO having jurisdiction over the area in which the operator is located...' authorizing use of the MEL (on the airplane). I'm not sure if we have one of these, but I will find out. The above cited operation used the MEL possibly without the letter. Recommendations. Bring the us far's into compliance with ICAO, and don't add any other rules not easily interpreted and found by foreign acrs (which would apply to foreign carriers). Instruct the FAA to not be so preoccupied with highly technical violations not directly related to safety. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter is a foreign based air carrier pilot, flying the B747. His concern is over whether the MEL that he uses complies with the master MEL and the location of the LOA as required by far 91.213(a)2. His report was submitted to cover a specific instance where the MEL was applied. No FAA personnel questioned this act. The reporter will try to find the answer to his question using the FAA aviation safety hotline and continue his effort through his air carrier.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE MIN EQUIP LIST AND THE FAR INTERP.
Narrative: FOR FOREIGN INTL CARRIERS, THE RULES OF PART 91 OF THE US FAR'S ARE DIFFERENT FROM OTHER COUNTRIES IN CERTAIN RESPECTS, AND MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN THE CORRESPONDING ICAO RULES. A CASE IN POINT IS FAR 91.213 WHICH SEEMS TO SAY THAT AN MEL PROVIDED IN THE AOM BY THE FOREIGN CARRIER CANNOT BE USED UNLESS THERE'S A LOA 'ISSUED BY THE FAA FSDO HAVING JURISDICTION OVER THE AREA IN WHICH THE OPERATOR IS LOCATED...' AUTHORIZING USE OF THE MEL (ON THE AIRPLANE). I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE ONE OF THESE, BUT I WILL FIND OUT. THE ABOVE CITED OPERATION USED THE MEL POSSIBLY WITHOUT THE LETTER. RECOMMENDATIONS. BRING THE US FAR'S INTO COMPLIANCE WITH ICAO, AND DON'T ADD ANY OTHER RULES NOT EASILY INTERPRETED AND FOUND BY FOREIGN ACRS (WHICH WOULD APPLY TO FOREIGN CARRIERS). INSTRUCT THE FAA TO NOT BE SO PREOCCUPIED WITH HIGHLY TECHNICAL VIOLATIONS NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO SAFETY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR IS A FOREIGN BASED ACR PLT, FLYING THE B747. HIS CONCERN IS OVER WHETHER THE MEL THAT HE USES COMPLIES WITH THE MASTER MEL AND THE LOCATION OF THE LOA AS REQUIRED BY FAR 91.213(A)2. HIS RPT WAS SUBMITTED TO COVER A SPECIFIC INSTANCE WHERE THE MEL WAS APPLIED. NO FAA PERSONNEL QUESTIONED THIS ACT. THE RPTR WILL TRY TO FIND THE ANSWER TO HIS QUESTION USING THE FAA AVIATION SAFETY HOTLINE AND CONTINUE HIS EFFORT THROUGH HIS ACR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.