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Attributes | |
ACN | 319450 |
Time | |
Date | 199510 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pxr |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival star : star enroute airway : zab |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 173 flight time total : 7495 flight time type : 1680 |
ASRS Report | 319450 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While en route into phx we were cleared direct tonto intersection to cross at 12000 ft and 250 KTS. We were instructed to maintain 300 KTS when able in the descent. Our aircraft was equipped with FMC (flight management computer with VNAV) and was programmed for the appropriate speed and altitude crossing clearance. On the descent I mentioned to the captain that the aircraft was not holding (the assigned) speed very well. He agreed, but made no attempt to regulate the speed with speed brakes. The winds during the descent had shifted causing the aircraft to get high compared to the profile calculated by the FMC. After questioning the captain again, this time to see if we would make the restr at 'tonto' he indicated it would be ok. He still did not use speed brakes until just prior to tonto. While all altitude instructions were complied with, we crossed tonto in excess of the original assigned speed restr (at tonto). (The captain indicated he had understood a later clearance to void the speed restr, but this was not my understanding.) the aircraft soon reached the appropriate speed and the flight concluded with no known conflicts. Making sure both pilots understand all clrncs is a must. Any doubt must be resolved immediately. Also when programming an FMC for a descent into a headwind an allowance for a wind shift would provide a more conservative descent profile.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SPD RESTR NOT MET.
Narrative: WHILE ENRTE INTO PHX WE WERE CLRED DIRECT TONTO INTXN TO CROSS AT 12000 FT AND 250 KTS. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO MAINTAIN 300 KTS WHEN ABLE IN THE DSCNT. OUR ACFT WAS EQUIPPED WITH FMC (FLT MGMNT COMPUTER WITH VNAV) AND WAS PROGRAMMED FOR THE APPROPRIATE SPD AND ALT XING CLRNC. ON THE DSCNT I MENTIONED TO THE CAPT THAT THE ACFT WAS NOT HOLDING (THE ASSIGNED) SPD VERY WELL. HE AGREED, BUT MADE NO ATTEMPT TO REGULATE THE SPD WITH SPD BRAKES. THE WINDS DURING THE DSCNT HAD SHIFTED CAUSING THE ACFT TO GET HIGH COMPARED TO THE PROFILE CALCULATED BY THE FMC. AFTER QUESTIONING THE CAPT AGAIN, THIS TIME TO SEE IF WE WOULD MAKE THE RESTR AT 'TONTO' HE INDICATED IT WOULD BE OK. HE STILL DID NOT USE SPD BRAKES UNTIL JUST PRIOR TO TONTO. WHILE ALL ALT INSTRUCTIONS WERE COMPLIED WITH, WE CROSSED TONTO IN EXCESS OF THE ORIGINAL ASSIGNED SPD RESTR (AT TONTO). (THE CAPT INDICATED HE HAD UNDERSTOOD A LATER CLRNC TO VOID THE SPD RESTR, BUT THIS WAS NOT MY UNDERSTANDING.) THE ACFT SOON REACHED THE APPROPRIATE SPD AND THE FLT CONCLUDED WITH NO KNOWN CONFLICTS. MAKING SURE BOTH PLTS UNDERSTAND ALL CLRNCS IS A MUST. ANY DOUBT MUST BE RESOLVED IMMEDIATELY. ALSO WHEN PROGRAMMING AN FMC FOR A DSCNT INTO A HEADWIND AN ALLOWANCE FOR A WIND SHIFT WOULD PROVIDE A MORE CONSERVATIVE DSCNT PROFILE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.