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Attributes | |
ACN | 320605 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : elp |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1180 |
ASRS Report | 320605 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 320630 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During outbound taxi from ramp area, ground control cleared us to taxi to runway 8R (no other restr given). We proceeded out taxiway C and commenced an east turn onto taxiway east. At this time, ground informed us that we were on the extended centerline of an active runway. We were on taxiway east. We asked ground control if they wanted us to taxi clear of taxiway east. Ground controller said it would be okay to hold our position on taxiway east until cleared onto runway 8R. Ground controller remarked that this intersection was a continuing problem. There are no hold short markings or any other appropriate warning signs at taxiway east. This is a confusing intersection and should be more clearly marked. In every appearance of signage, taxiway lighting, etc, taxiway east seems a normal taxiway. Also, if this represents a continuing problem, ground control may wish to issue more specific taxi instructions. Ground traffic that morning was extremely light with minimal radio calls. Supplemental information from acn 320630: we were cleared to 'taxi to runway 8R.' while taxiing out to runway 8R we followed the sign for taxiway F. We never saw a hold short sign or ground marking prior to taxiing on to taxiway east. Only after ground asked us if we were on the runway did we realize that we may have been on the runway stopway. Callback conversation with reporter of acn #320605 revealed the following information: tower supervisor said the tower has had some aircraft taxi onto the stopway which is taxiway east. Airport management supervisor stated the airport is in compliance with FAA airport signage and markings. At txwys F and a there are hold lines painted on taxiway and a sign that shows approach runway 8R. Supervisor said to eliminate confusion, they are going to make taxiway F a one way taxiway which will not be used from the ramp. Also tower is going to give more specific taxi instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR RWY INCURSION DUE TO POOR ARPT SIGNAGE.
Narrative: DURING OUTBOUND TAXI FROM RAMP AREA, GND CTL CLRED US TO TAXI TO RWY 8R (NO OTHER RESTR GIVEN). WE PROCEEDED OUT TXWY C AND COMMENCED AN E TURN ONTO TXWY E. AT THIS TIME, GND INFORMED US THAT WE WERE ON THE EXTENDED CTRLINE OF AN ACTIVE RWY. WE WERE ON TXWY E. WE ASKED GND CTL IF THEY WANTED US TO TAXI CLR OF TXWY E. GND CTLR SAID IT WOULD BE OKAY TO HOLD OUR POS ON TXWY E UNTIL CLRED ONTO RWY 8R. GND CTLR REMARKED THAT THIS INTXN WAS A CONTINUING PROB. THERE ARE NO HOLD SHORT MARKINGS OR ANY OTHER APPROPRIATE WARNING SIGNS AT TXWY E. THIS IS A CONFUSING INTXN AND SHOULD BE MORE CLRLY MARKED. IN EVERY APPEARANCE OF SIGNAGE, TXWY LIGHTING, ETC, TXWY E SEEMS A NORMAL TXWY. ALSO, IF THIS REPRESENTS A CONTINUING PROB, GND CTL MAY WISH TO ISSUE MORE SPECIFIC TAXI INSTRUCTIONS. GND TFC THAT MORNING WAS EXTREMELY LIGHT WITH MINIMAL RADIO CALLS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 320630: WE WERE CLRED TO 'TAXI TO RWY 8R.' WHILE TAXIING OUT TO RWY 8R WE FOLLOWED THE SIGN FOR TXWY F. WE NEVER SAW A HOLD SHORT SIGN OR GND MARKING PRIOR TO TAXIING ON TO TXWY E. ONLY AFTER GND ASKED US IF WE WERE ON THE RWY DID WE REALIZE THAT WE MAY HAVE BEEN ON THE RWY STOPWAY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR OF ACN #320605 REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: TWR SUPVR SAID THE TWR HAS HAD SOME ACFT TAXI ONTO THE STOPWAY WHICH IS TXWY E. ARPT MGMNT SUPVR STATED THE ARPT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAA ARPT SIGNAGE AND MARKINGS. AT TXWYS F AND A THERE ARE HOLD LINES PAINTED ON TXWY AND A SIGN THAT SHOWS APCH RWY 8R. SUPVR SAID TO ELIMINATE CONFUSION, THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE TXWY F A ONE WAY TXWY WHICH WILL NOT BE USED FROM THE RAMP. ALSO TWR IS GOING TO GIVE MORE SPECIFIC TAXI INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.