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Attributes | |
ACN | 321766 |
Time | |
Date | 199511 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ffo |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ffo |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 150 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 321766 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I made a training flight, as flight instructor, from luk to I74 with a return trip to luk. The flight conditions were VFR and I had seen a local radar screen that would cover our route of flight so no phone call to flight service was made. We were flying the trip in a cessna 150, and had flown this same route many times, because we stop there often to eat at a restaurant on the field. Returning to luk we were VFR at 3000 ft and on a direct heading to luk. Upon landing at luk we were asked to copy a message after our landing roll. The message was to call dayton TRACON after securing the aircraft. When I called the telephone number I was informed that an airspace restr had been put in place at the wright patterson air force base. I explained to the gentleman that we were not made aware of the restr airspace but would avoid it on any future flight through that area. I was then given a telephone number to call at the air base, and upon calling I was instructed in a harsh manner once again of the airspace restr. I explained to the air base that we were VFR and was not aware of the restr, and apologized. After our conversation I called the dayton ohio flight service station for a briefing and was not notified of the airspace restr in any form or manner. We were using an apollo GPS with moving map that shows restr airspaces, and it was also not in that database. We were also navigating with a current VFR sectional, and the restr airspace was not printed on the sectional. Many times in the following week I made calls to the flight service station for briefings through the same area, and was never informed of the restr airspace. This report is to inform the proper facilities that if you are going to restrict a certain airspace for safety or national security reasons, please make the information readily available through the proper navigation charts and flight service stations, and many navigational tools such as databased GPS. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that this is virtually a weekly jaunt for this group of pilots. There are several planes involved in a sunday breakfast flight. None of the other aircraft were contacted and they all flew within a couple thousand feet of each other. The controller at the air base indicated that the aircraft was in their sights and could have been shot down. Reporter has a friend in the FAA and he requested that he call the FSS and request NOTAMS. The FAA representative did not receive the information either. He has heard nothing further since the incident itself.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: INSTRUCTOR WITH STUDENT PLT TRANSITS A TEMPORARY RESTR AREA.
Narrative: I MADE A TRAINING FLT, AS FLT INSTRUCTOR, FROM LUK TO I74 WITH A RETURN TRIP TO LUK. THE FLT CONDITIONS WERE VFR AND I HAD SEEN A LCL RADAR SCREEN THAT WOULD COVER OUR RTE OF FLT SO NO PHONE CALL TO FLT SVC WAS MADE. WE WERE FLYING THE TRIP IN A CESSNA 150, AND HAD FLOWN THIS SAME RTE MANY TIMES, BECAUSE WE STOP THERE OFTEN TO EAT AT A RESTAURANT ON THE FIELD. RETURNING TO LUK WE WERE VFR AT 3000 FT AND ON A DIRECT HEADING TO LUK. UPON LNDG AT LUK WE WERE ASKED TO COPY A MESSAGE AFTER OUR LNDG ROLL. THE MESSAGE WAS TO CALL DAYTON TRACON AFTER SECURING THE ACFT. WHEN I CALLED THE TELEPHONE NUMBER I WAS INFORMED THAT AN AIRSPACE RESTR HAD BEEN PUT IN PLACE AT THE WRIGHT PATTERSON AIR FORCE BASE. I EXPLAINED TO THE GENTLEMAN THAT WE WERE NOT MADE AWARE OF THE RESTR AIRSPACE BUT WOULD AVOID IT ON ANY FUTURE FLT THROUGH THAT AREA. I WAS THEN GIVEN A TELEPHONE NUMBER TO CALL AT THE AIR BASE, AND UPON CALLING I WAS INSTRUCTED IN A HARSH MANNER ONCE AGAIN OF THE AIRSPACE RESTR. I EXPLAINED TO THE AIR BASE THAT WE WERE VFR AND WAS NOT AWARE OF THE RESTR, AND APOLOGIZED. AFTER OUR CONVERSATION I CALLED THE DAYTON OHIO FLT SVC STATION FOR A BRIEFING AND WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE AIRSPACE RESTR IN ANY FORM OR MANNER. WE WERE USING AN APOLLO GPS WITH MOVING MAP THAT SHOWS RESTR AIRSPACES, AND IT WAS ALSO NOT IN THAT DATABASE. WE WERE ALSO NAVING WITH A CURRENT VFR SECTIONAL, AND THE RESTR AIRSPACE WAS NOT PRINTED ON THE SECTIONAL. MANY TIMES IN THE FOLLOWING WEEK I MADE CALLS TO THE FLT SVC STATION FOR BRIEFINGS THROUGH THE SAME AREA, AND WAS NEVER INFORMED OF THE RESTR AIRSPACE. THIS RPT IS TO INFORM THE PROPER FACILITIES THAT IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESTRICT A CERTAIN AIRSPACE FOR SAFETY OR NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS, PLEASE MAKE THE INFO READILY AVAILABLE THROUGH THE PROPER NAV CHARTS AND FLT SVC STATIONS, AND MANY NAVIGATIONAL TOOLS SUCH AS DATABASED GPS. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT THIS IS VIRTUALLY A WEEKLY JAUNT FOR THIS GROUP OF PLTS. THERE ARE SEVERAL PLANES INVOLVED IN A SUNDAY BREAKFAST FLT. NONE OF THE OTHER ACFT WERE CONTACTED AND THEY ALL FLEW WITHIN A COUPLE THOUSAND FEET OF EACH OTHER. THE CTLR AT THE AIR BASE INDICATED THAT THE ACFT WAS IN THEIR SIGHTS AND COULD HAVE BEEN SHOT DOWN. RPTR HAS A FRIEND IN THE FAA AND HE REQUESTED THAT HE CALL THE FSS AND REQUEST NOTAMS. THE FAA REPRESENTATIVE DID NOT RECEIVE THE INFO EITHER. HE HAS HEARD NOTHING FURTHER SINCE THE INCIDENT ITSELF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.