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Attributes | |
ACN | 324190 |
Time | |
Date | 199512 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 215 flight time total : 9160 flight time type : 3761 |
ASRS Report | 324190 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
WX on ATIS low VFR, but ILS assigned due to cloud layers. Snow showers in area were reducing visibility and obscuring cloud definition lower and closer to field (not yet reported by ATIS), but visibility out of clouds and between layers good for us. Therefore, the converging turns onto parallel approachs evoked greater outside awareness and lookout. It was the not unusual barrage transmission from the controller that probably was the event which tripped us up. An after landing call to RAPCON confirmed. Lowering visibility was delaying approaching aircraft from reporting 'field in sight.' our controller was getting a little behind and gave a turn, speed change, altitude crossing, frequency change, approach clearance and contact tower at, all in the same transmission, and about the same time the TCASII gave a 'TA' for a plane joining the parallel approach. Being VMC at the time, I told the captain I had the 2 O'clock low traffic visually while he was reading back what he heard of the controller's clearance. It was a classic case wherein we should have said: 'say again all after (call sign).' to top it off this approach uses an off-field DME source for ILS step-down reference (in itself a ridiculous condition for a major international terminal). Because I heard 'cleared for the approach' the 'cross at' didn't register since a lower step was permissive at that DME. Lesson relearned: request repeat, hurried or not, if there's a question mark over the cockpit.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT FAILED TO MAINTAIN ASSIGNED APCH ALT DUE TO LACK OF HEARING AND UNDERSTANDING THE APCH CLRNC RESTRS.
Narrative: WX ON ATIS LOW VFR, BUT ILS ASSIGNED DUE TO CLOUD LAYERS. SNOW SHOWERS IN AREA WERE REDUCING VISIBILITY AND OBSCURING CLOUD DEFINITION LOWER AND CLOSER TO FIELD (NOT YET RPTED BY ATIS), BUT VISIBILITY OUT OF CLOUDS AND BTWN LAYERS GOOD FOR US. THEREFORE, THE CONVERGING TURNS ONTO PARALLEL APCHS EVOKED GREATER OUTSIDE AWARENESS AND LOOKOUT. IT WAS THE NOT UNUSUAL BARRAGE XMISSION FROM THE CTLR THAT PROBABLY WAS THE EVENT WHICH TRIPPED US UP. AN AFTER LNDG CALL TO RAPCON CONFIRMED. LOWERING VISIBILITY WAS DELAYING APCHING ACFT FROM RPTING 'FIELD IN SIGHT.' OUR CTLR WAS GETTING A LITTLE BEHIND AND GAVE A TURN, SPD CHANGE, ALT XING, FREQ CHANGE, APCH CLRNC AND CONTACT TWR AT, ALL IN THE SAME XMISSION, AND ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE TCASII GAVE A 'TA' FOR A PLANE JOINING THE PARALLEL APCH. BEING VMC AT THE TIME, I TOLD THE CAPT I HAD THE 2 O'CLOCK LOW TFC VISUALLY WHILE HE WAS READING BACK WHAT HE HEARD OF THE CTLR'S CLRNC. IT WAS A CLASSIC CASE WHEREIN WE SHOULD HAVE SAID: 'SAY AGAIN ALL AFTER (CALL SIGN).' TO TOP IT OFF THIS APCH USES AN OFF-FIELD DME SOURCE FOR ILS STEP-DOWN REF (IN ITSELF A RIDICULOUS CONDITION FOR A MAJOR INTL TERMINAL). BECAUSE I HEARD 'CLRED FOR THE APCH' THE 'CROSS AT' DIDN'T REGISTER SINCE A LOWER STEP WAS PERMISSIVE AT THAT DME. LESSON RELEARNED: REQUEST REPEAT, HURRIED OR NOT, IF THERE'S A QUESTION MARK OVER THE COCKPIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.