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Attributes | |
ACN | 326859 |
Time | |
Date | 199601 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bal |
State Reference | MD |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bwi tower : ccs |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 50 |
ASRS Report | 326859 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
While level at 3000 ft was advised of traffic at 10 O'clock and 3500 ft, a commuter. I reported traffic in sight. Commuter was advised of my position and responded 'I see him out there.' we were both instructed to maintain visual separation. I was precisely maintaining 3000 ft and trying to ascertain his exact flight path to determine if there was a conflict, however, assuming he was at 3500 ft. A 500 ft altitude difference is not very discernable from a distance so I stayed on course. He was approaching me from my left so if I turned left I would be directly at him on his flight path, and at a considerably slower speed. I still thought he was at 3500 ft and had me in sight and would turn right to pass behind me if he felt there was a conflict. When I realized he was descending and converging I started to turn to the right. Seemingly at the same time, he reacted as if he had just seen me and turned right to pass behind. I don't know why he had descended out of 3500 ft after reporting me in sight and being told of my altitude. I also can't believe he had me in sight because of his abrupt evasive maneuver. I did not consider the incident noteworthy because I didn't feel we were dangerously close and attributed it to confused communications. He then reported to the controller that there was some bonanza out here and that I had just turned into his flight path and that we cleared each other by 200 to 300 ft. He even asked the controller to verify with me that I had seen him. When I told the controller what my actions were, the commuter pilot stated that wasn't what really happened. I was surprised by his version of what happened and was not going to argue with him on the radio. Lessons learned are that you cannot assume anything, regardless of the airspace, experience of the pilots, or even after verbal confirmations are received. Closure rates of converging aircraft can be great, even though there is very little visual relative motion. My assumptions of a 500 ft altitude clearance was not real. Nor was my assumption that he had me in sight and that he would alter his course slightly to pass behind me. On retrospect, in the same situation, I will have the controller verify the other aircraft's altitude and confirm that he is going to stay level until we pass.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT HAS NMAC WITH COMMUTER AFTER EACH IS TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION.
Narrative: WHILE LEVEL AT 3000 FT WAS ADVISED OF TFC AT 10 O'CLOCK AND 3500 FT, A COMMUTER. I RPTED TFC IN SIGHT. COMMUTER WAS ADVISED OF MY POS AND RESPONDED 'I SEE HIM OUT THERE.' WE WERE BOTH INSTRUCTED TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION. I WAS PRECISELY MAINTAINING 3000 FT AND TRYING TO ASCERTAIN HIS EXACT FLT PATH TO DETERMINE IF THERE WAS A CONFLICT, HOWEVER, ASSUMING HE WAS AT 3500 FT. A 500 FT ALT DIFFERENCE IS NOT VERY DISCERNABLE FROM A DISTANCE SO I STAYED ON COURSE. HE WAS APPROACHING ME FROM MY L SO IF I TURNED L I WOULD BE DIRECTLY AT HIM ON HIS FLT PATH, AND AT A CONSIDERABLY SLOWER SPD. I STILL THOUGHT HE WAS AT 3500 FT AND HAD ME IN SIGHT AND WOULD TURN R TO PASS BEHIND ME IF HE FELT THERE WAS A CONFLICT. WHEN I REALIZED HE WAS DSNDING AND CONVERGING I STARTED TO TURN TO THE R. SEEMINGLY AT THE SAME TIME, HE REACTED AS IF HE HAD JUST SEEN ME AND TURNED R TO PASS BEHIND. I DON'T KNOW WHY HE HAD DSNDED OUT OF 3500 FT AFTER RPTING ME IN SIGHT AND BEING TOLD OF MY ALT. I ALSO CAN'T BELIEVE HE HAD ME IN SIGHT BECAUSE OF HIS ABRUPT EVASIVE MANEUVER. I DID NOT CONSIDER THE INCIDENT NOTEWORTHY BECAUSE I DIDN'T FEEL WE WERE DANGEROUSLY CLOSE AND ATTRIBUTED IT TO CONFUSED COMS. HE THEN RPTED TO THE CTLR THAT THERE WAS SOME BONANZA OUT HERE AND THAT I HAD JUST TURNED INTO HIS FLT PATH AND THAT WE CLRED EACH OTHER BY 200 TO 300 FT. HE EVEN ASKED THE CTLR TO VERIFY WITH ME THAT I HAD SEEN HIM. WHEN I TOLD THE CTLR WHAT MY ACTIONS WERE, THE COMMUTER PLT STATED THAT WASN'T WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. I WAS SURPRISED BY HIS VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED AND WAS NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH HIM ON THE RADIO. LESSONS LEARNED ARE THAT YOU CANNOT ASSUME ANYTHING, REGARDLESS OF THE AIRSPACE, EXPERIENCE OF THE PLTS, OR EVEN AFTER VERBAL CONFIRMATIONS ARE RECEIVED. CLOSURE RATES OF CONVERGING ACFT CAN BE GREAT, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS VERY LITTLE VISUAL RELATIVE MOTION. MY ASSUMPTIONS OF A 500 FT ALT CLRNC WAS NOT REAL. NOR WAS MY ASSUMPTION THAT HE HAD ME IN SIGHT AND THAT HE WOULD ALTER HIS COURSE SLIGHTLY TO PASS BEHIND ME. ON RETROSPECT, IN THE SAME SIT, I WILL HAVE THE CTLR VERIFY THE OTHER ACFT'S ALT AND CONFIRM THAT HE IS GOING TO STAY LEVEL UNTIL WE PASS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.