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Attributes | |
ACN | 329290 |
Time | |
Date | 199602 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dtw |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dtw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 329290 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 329178 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were being vectored for a visual approach to runway 21R at dtw and were assigned 3000 ft and a heading of 180 degrees. We had the airport and parallel traffic for runway 21L in sight. As we approached the final for runway 2R we still had not received approach clearance. We tried to contact approach control but were unable due to frequency congestion. As we crossed the final we could see a traffic conflict developing so we initiated a turn back toward the final. After the turn was initiated the TCASII gave us an RA to descend, which we did, however, this was not a near miss. When we finally talked to the approach controller, he indicated that he thought he had already given us an approach clearance. I believe that the controller just forgot about us. We landed safely with no further incident.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII. WHILE ON RADAR VECTORS FOR VISUAL APCH, ATC FREQ WAS CONGESTED AND FLC COULD NOT GET THROUGH TO APCH CTL TO OBTAIN APCH CLRNC. WHEN FINALLY ESTABLISHING CONTACT THE CTLR TOLD THEM HE THOUGHT HE HAD ALREADY GIVEN APCH CLRNC. DURING THE APCH, TCASII ALERTED RPTR FLC OF ANOTHER ACFT ON PARALLEL RWY WHICH THEY EVADED.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 21R AT DTW AND WERE ASSIGNED 3000 FT AND A HDG OF 180 DEGS. WE HAD THE ARPT AND PARALLEL TFC FOR RWY 21L IN SIGHT. AS WE APCHED THE FINAL FOR RWY 2R WE STILL HAD NOT RECEIVED APCH CLRNC. WE TRIED TO CONTACT APCH CTL BUT WERE UNABLE DUE TO FREQ CONGESTION. AS WE CROSSED THE FINAL WE COULD SEE A TFC CONFLICT DEVELOPING SO WE INITIATED A TURN BACK TOWARD THE FINAL. AFTER THE TURN WAS INITIATED THE TCASII GAVE US AN RA TO DSND, WHICH WE DID, HOWEVER, THIS WAS NOT A NEAR MISS. WHEN WE FINALLY TALKED TO THE APCH CTLR, HE INDICATED THAT HE THOUGHT HE HAD ALREADY GIVEN US AN APCH CLRNC. I BELIEVE THAT THE CTLR JUST FORGOT ABOUT US. WE LANDED SAFELY WITH NO FURTHER INCIDENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.