Corp flight crew taxies beyond hold line located 1000 ft prior to runway.

Attributes
ACN	335103
Time
Date	199605
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : dec
State Reference	IL
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	general aviation : corporate
Make Model Name	Beech 1900
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 91
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 122 flight time total : 13225 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	335103
Person 2
Affiliation	Other
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

After starting engines at dec, il, we called for and received our IFR clearance. It was my copilot's turn to fly the leg. I called for taxi and my copilot began the taxi to runway 30. During the taxi on the center taxiway, I was completing the taxi checklist and completing the navigation entries into the LORAN, when I noticed my copilot had taxied over the hold line. The ground controller properly admonished us for having done so. When I quizzed my copilot, it was evident that he didn't understand or recognize the hold line was for more than 1 runway. The hold line on the center taxiway at dec, il, is over 1000 ft from the intersection of both runways (nonstandard for those of us who are accustomed to holding short of the runway, near the runway). There is the problem. The hold line is properly located for those who are familiar with it. Cover it with ice and snow and you won't see it! No special signage with this hold line. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states the reason for the report was a heads up for a situation he sees as a hazard when WX factors are involved. He admits they screwed up and in conversation realized the need for the hold line being so far back from the runways is for standard clearance for large aircraft. Reporter feels a lighted sign would help improve the taxiway safety for pilots unfamiliar with the airport.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CORP FLC TAXIES BEYOND HOLD LINE LOCATED 1000 FT PRIOR TO RWY.

Narrative: AFTER STARTING ENGS AT DEC, IL, WE CALLED FOR AND RECEIVED OUR IFR CLRNC. IT WAS MY COPLT'S TURN TO FLY THE LEG. I CALLED FOR TAXI AND MY COPLT BEGAN THE TAXI TO RWY 30. DURING THE TAXI ON THE CTR TXWY, I WAS COMPLETING THE TAXI CHKLIST AND COMPLETING THE NAV ENTRIES INTO THE LORAN, WHEN I NOTICED MY COPLT HAD TAXIED OVER THE HOLD LINE. THE GND CTLR PROPERLY ADMONISHED US FOR HAVING DONE SO. WHEN I QUIZZED MY COPLT, IT WAS EVIDENT THAT HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND OR RECOGNIZE THE HOLD LINE WAS FOR MORE THAN 1 RWY. THE HOLD LINE ON THE CTR TXWY AT DEC, IL, IS OVER 1000 FT FROM THE INTXN OF BOTH RWYS (NONSTANDARD FOR THOSE OF US WHO ARE ACCUSTOMED TO HOLDING SHORT OF THE RWY, NEAR THE RWY). THERE IS THE PROB. THE HOLD LINE IS PROPERLY LOCATED FOR THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT. COVER IT WITH ICE AND SNOW AND YOU WON'T SEE IT! NO SPECIAL SIGNAGE WITH THIS HOLD LINE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THE REASON FOR THE RPT WAS A HEADS UP FOR A SIT HE SEES AS A HAZARD WHEN WX FACTORS ARE INVOLVED. HE ADMITS THEY SCREWED UP AND IN CONVERSATION REALIZED THE NEED FOR THE HOLD LINE BEING SO FAR BACK FROM THE RWYS IS FOR STANDARD CLRNC FOR LARGE ACFT. RPTR FEELS A LIGHTED SIGN WOULD HELP IMPROVE THE TXWY SAFETY FOR PLTS UNFAMILIAR WITH THE ARPT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.