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Attributes | |
ACN | 335590 |
Time | |
Date | 199605 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ngo |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : rjtg artcc : zoa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-10 30 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic enroute : pacific |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 335590 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On flight from nagoya to guam we were in communication with tokyo radio. We were told to switch to hnl radio at next position report. At next position report point we contacted hnl radio to give position report and sel call check. Hnl radio took position report but had problems with sel call check. We gave sel call code and then received a good check. About 100 mi ahead was thunderstorm overhang so captain requested track offset of 10 mi to right of course in case we needed to deviate. We received ATC clearance to deviate from hnl radio. As we approached overhang we found we did not need to deviate but moved only 2 mi to right to miss overhang for 5 mins then went back to track. On next report point we reported over check point to hnl radio. Hnl radio then asked who we were, flight ab or flight crew AC. We told her we were flight ab. Hnl then stated they thought we were flight AC going to saipan. Hnl radio had mistaken us for flight AC and tokyo radio had sent us over to hnl radio one position point early before oakland fir. There had been a communication mix-up between tokyo, hnl radio and us. With voice communication in the far east as difficult as it is with different languages it seems the sat communications that is available today should be used instead of HF. That could help communication confusion. All parties need to know when you are leaving or entering a fir and to make sure that both controling agencies know you are on an offset for WX. Flight numbers should also not be so close such as ab, AC, etc, that they could be missed. Airlines and flts should be required to have totally different numbers for flts on the same track.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DC10-30 ENRTE NAGOYA TO GUAM HAS CALL SIGN CONFUSION FROM ATC MIXING UP FLT NUMBERS.
Narrative: ON FLT FROM NAGOYA TO GUAM WE WERE IN COM WITH TOKYO RADIO. WE WERE TOLD TO SWITCH TO HNL RADIO AT NEXT POS RPT. AT NEXT POS RPT POINT WE CONTACTED HNL RADIO TO GIVE POS RPT AND SEL CALL CHK. HNL RADIO TOOK POS RPT BUT HAD PROBS WITH SEL CALL CHK. WE GAVE SEL CALL CODE AND THEN RECEIVED A GOOD CHK. ABOUT 100 MI AHEAD WAS TSTM OVERHANG SO CAPT REQUESTED TRACK OFFSET OF 10 MI TO R OF COURSE IN CASE WE NEEDED TO DEVIATE. WE RECEIVED ATC CLRNC TO DEVIATE FROM HNL RADIO. AS WE APCHED OVERHANG WE FOUND WE DID NOT NEED TO DEVIATE BUT MOVED ONLY 2 MI TO R TO MISS OVERHANG FOR 5 MINS THEN WENT BACK TO TRACK. ON NEXT RPT POINT WE RPTED OVER CHK POINT TO HNL RADIO. HNL RADIO THEN ASKED WHO WE WERE, FLT AB OR FLC AC. WE TOLD HER WE WERE FLT AB. HNL THEN STATED THEY THOUGHT WE WERE FLT AC GOING TO SAIPAN. HNL RADIO HAD MISTAKEN US FOR FLT AC AND TOKYO RADIO HAD SENT US OVER TO HNL RADIO ONE POS POINT EARLY BEFORE OAKLAND FIR. THERE HAD BEEN A COM MIX-UP BTWN TOKYO, HNL RADIO AND US. WITH VOICE COM IN THE FAR EAST AS DIFFICULT AS IT IS WITH DIFFERENT LANGUAGES IT SEEMS THE SAT COMS THAT IS AVAILABLE TODAY SHOULD BE USED INSTEAD OF HF. THAT COULD HELP COM CONFUSION. ALL PARTIES NEED TO KNOW WHEN YOU ARE LEAVING OR ENTERING A FIR AND TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH CTLING AGENCIES KNOW YOU ARE ON AN OFFSET FOR WX. FLT NUMBERS SHOULD ALSO NOT BE SO CLOSE SUCH AS AB, AC, ETC, THAT THEY COULD BE MISSED. AIRLINES AND FLTS SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT NUMBERS FOR FLTS ON THE SAME TRACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.