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Attributes | |
ACN | 362433 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B727-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 10 |
ASRS Report | 362433 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 362434 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Taxi north on taxiway left to runway 17L, hold short of txwys east and D. Coming up on intersection 'cn' we were told to hold because that was supposedly 'ed.' we went into the intersection -- no traffic conflict and subsequently told to taxi to runway 8. IOE was being conducted, so entire crew busy. What I feel leads to the confusion of missing the intersection is that once on taxiway left northbound the signage shows 'cn' both left and right at the intersection which ground control called 'ed.' I missed my hold short of 'ed' because of workload (IOE) and confusion of signage. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: this B727-200 flight crew taxied through taxiway 'ed' at den because they saw a taxiway sign for taxiway 'cn' and thought that 'ed' was a bit further north of their position. This reporter said that he was not very familiar with den, but his instructor was and even he was surprised. The reporter said that the instructor finally located the taxiway 'ed' sign after they had stopped in the intersection. The only taxiway 'ed' sign visible to the reporter was over by taxiway M some distance from their intersection. The reporter said that he had studied the airport page of his commercial plates before starting his taxi. Supplemental information from acn 362434: we believe the taxiway marking could be better. On taxiway left the sign for 'ed' is across the grass close to taxiway M, way to the right. On the left of taxiway left is a sign for 'cn' only. Had we been on taxiway M to hold short of taxiway 'ed' I believe we would not have missed the hold short clearance. I think there is a signage problem in this area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE ACR B727-200 FLC TAXIED THROUGH THE HOLD SHORT AREA FOR THE INTXN OF TXWYS 'L' AND 'ED.' THE FLC FEELS THAT MISLEADING SIGNAGE WAS THE PRIMARY CAUSE.
Narrative: TAXI N ON TXWY L TO RWY 17L, HOLD SHORT OF TXWYS E AND D. COMING UP ON INTXN 'CN' WE WERE TOLD TO HOLD BECAUSE THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY 'ED.' WE WENT INTO THE INTXN -- NO TFC CONFLICT AND SUBSEQUENTLY TOLD TO TAXI TO RWY 8. IOE WAS BEING CONDUCTED, SO ENTIRE CREW BUSY. WHAT I FEEL LEADS TO THE CONFUSION OF MISSING THE INTXN IS THAT ONCE ON TXWY L NBOUND THE SIGNAGE SHOWS 'CN' BOTH L AND R AT THE INTXN WHICH GND CTL CALLED 'ED.' I MISSED MY HOLD SHORT OF 'ED' BECAUSE OF WORKLOAD (IOE) AND CONFUSION OF SIGNAGE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THIS B727-200 FLC TAXIED THROUGH TXWY 'ED' AT DEN BECAUSE THEY SAW A TXWY SIGN FOR TXWY 'CN' AND THOUGHT THAT 'ED' WAS A BIT FURTHER N OF THEIR POS. THIS RPTR SAID THAT HE WAS NOT VERY FAMILIAR WITH DEN, BUT HIS INSTRUCTOR WAS AND EVEN HE WAS SURPRISED. THE RPTR SAID THAT THE INSTRUCTOR FINALLY LOCATED THE TXWY 'ED' SIGN AFTER THEY HAD STOPPED IN THE INTXN. THE ONLY TXWY 'ED' SIGN VISIBLE TO THE RPTR WAS OVER BY TXWY M SOME DISTANCE FROM THEIR INTXN. THE RPTR SAID THAT HE HAD STUDIED THE ARPT PAGE OF HIS COMMERCIAL PLATES BEFORE STARTING HIS TAXI. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 362434: WE BELIEVE THE TXWY MARKING COULD BE BETTER. ON TXWY L THE SIGN FOR 'ED' IS ACROSS THE GRASS CLOSE TO TXWY M, WAY TO THE R. ON THE L OF TXWY L IS A SIGN FOR 'CN' ONLY. HAD WE BEEN ON TXWY M TO HOLD SHORT OF TXWY 'ED' I BELIEVE WE WOULD NOT HAVE MISSED THE HOLD SHORT CLRNC. I THINK THERE IS A SIGNAGE PROB IN THIS AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.