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Attributes | |
ACN | 362590 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : imb |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse tracon : bur |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 362590 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was the relief pilot on a european flight back to sfo. I had been on my scheduled 2 hour rest period taken in the passenger cabin when the captain and flying first officer overflew our redispatch fix. They had forgotten to ask for the redispatch message from the dispatcher and the dispatcher had forgotten to send it. As a result, the flight had continued past the redispatch fix to our final destination without proper acknowledgement. Not until I had returned from my break and past our redispatch fix did we realize what had been missed. Fortunately, we had more than enough fuel and the WX was clear with no restrs at our destination. I believe a probable cause for this incident was due to the long flight time (11 hours 30 mins) and the early wake-up. Additionally, the requirement to acknowledge the redispatch message is really a moot point. We, as the pilots, are continually monitoring our fuel state and WX conditions at our intended destination. If there was any point in the flight where our safe completion to our destination was in question, we would surely be cognizant of it. The redispatch fix, message, and acknowledgement are really just a 'square filler' and in the back of most pilots heads is that perception the FAA should either re-emphasize and substantiate this requirement or change it. Until then, I will re-emphasize to the crew the importance of sending the acceptance of the redispatch message before I take my rest break.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RELIEF OFFICER OF B767-300 FLT RETURNS TO COCKPIT AFTER REST PERIOD TO DISCOVER THAT THEY HAVE FLOWN BEYOND THE REDISPATCH FIX. FLC FORGOT TO ASK FOR THE REDISPATCH AND DISPATCHER FORGOT TO SENT IT.
Narrative: I WAS THE RELIEF PLT ON A EUROPEAN FLT BACK TO SFO. I HAD BEEN ON MY SCHEDULED 2 HR REST PERIOD TAKEN IN THE PAX CABIN WHEN THE CAPT AND FLYING FO OVERFLEW OUR REDISPATCH FIX. THEY HAD FORGOTTEN TO ASK FOR THE REDISPATCH MESSAGE FROM THE DISPATCHER AND THE DISPATCHER HAD FORGOTTEN TO SEND IT. AS A RESULT, THE FLT HAD CONTINUED PAST THE REDISPATCH FIX TO OUR FINAL DEST WITHOUT PROPER ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. NOT UNTIL I HAD RETURNED FROM MY BREAK AND PAST OUR REDISPATCH FIX DID WE REALIZE WHAT HAD BEEN MISSED. FORTUNATELY, WE HAD MORE THAN ENOUGH FUEL AND THE WX WAS CLR WITH NO RESTRS AT OUR DEST. I BELIEVE A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THIS INCIDENT WAS DUE TO THE LONG FLT TIME (11 HRS 30 MINS) AND THE EARLY WAKE-UP. ADDITIONALLY, THE REQUIREMENT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE REDISPATCH MESSAGE IS REALLY A MOOT POINT. WE, AS THE PLTS, ARE CONTINUALLY MONITORING OUR FUEL STATE AND WX CONDITIONS AT OUR INTENDED DEST. IF THERE WAS ANY POINT IN THE FLT WHERE OUR SAFE COMPLETION TO OUR DEST WAS IN QUESTION, WE WOULD SURELY BE COGNIZANT OF IT. THE REDISPATCH FIX, MESSAGE, AND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT ARE REALLY JUST A 'SQUARE FILLER' AND IN THE BACK OF MOST PLTS HEADS IS THAT PERCEPTION THE FAA SHOULD EITHER RE-EMPHASIZE AND SUBSTANTIATE THIS REQUIREMENT OR CHANGE IT. UNTIL THEN, I WILL RE-EMPHASIZE TO THE CREW THE IMPORTANCE OF SENDING THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE REDISPATCH MESSAGE BEFORE I TAKE MY REST BREAK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.