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Attributes | |
ACN | 363466 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : orl |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Falcon 10C |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct enroute airway : zjx |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : flight data |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 15 |
ASRS Report | 363466 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 3 |
ASRS Report | 363300 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I was working D76 at ZJX when a DA01 said he had engine problem. (I am a pilot, the radar controller was not.) so I asked pilot on frequency if he was declaring an emergency, or had to shut it down. He said no, but he waited to change destination to tlh. I decided to descend to a lower altitude. Radar controller then gave him FL350 and direct tlh which turned him directly over an air carrier MD80 northbound on J81. About 5 mi east of the air carrier, the DA01 said he had to shut down the engine and had to have a lower altitude and could not maintain altitude. After being told to maintain FL350 he came back and said again he could not maintain altitude now at FL345. The air carrier interrupts and says he has a TCASII alert and he is descending. Both targets are on a perfect merger course. Radar controller froze, so I took frequency and told the air carrier not to descend and to turn left to 090 degrees immediately, if he descends it would put him with the DA10 who had lost an engine and was descending. The 2 aircraft got each other in sight and missed in very close proximity. TCASII almost put these 2 aircraft together! I only reacted to what at the time seemed to be the best solution.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: OPERROR OCCURRED WHEN A DA10 COULD NOT HOLD ALT AFTER LOSING AN ENG AND DSNDED THROUGH THE ALT OF THE ACR MD80. THE MD80 RECEIVED A TCASII RA AND BEGAN DSCNT. THE RPTR SAYS THE RADAR CTLR FROZE. THE RPTR TOOK ACTION TO STOP THE DSCNT AND TURNED THE ACFT AWAY FROM THE DA10.
Narrative: I WAS WORKING D76 AT ZJX WHEN A DA01 SAID HE HAD ENG PROB. (I AM A PLT, THE RADAR CTLR WAS NOT.) SO I ASKED PLT ON FREQ IF HE WAS DECLARING AN EMER, OR HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN. HE SAID NO, BUT HE WAITED TO CHANGE DEST TO TLH. I DECIDED TO DSND TO A LOWER ALT. RADAR CTLR THEN GAVE HIM FL350 AND DIRECT TLH WHICH TURNED HIM DIRECTLY OVER AN ACR MD80 NBOUND ON J81. ABOUT 5 MI E OF THE ACR, THE DA01 SAID HE HAD TO SHUT DOWN THE ENG AND HAD TO HAVE A LOWER ALT AND COULD NOT MAINTAIN ALT. AFTER BEING TOLD TO MAINTAIN FL350 HE CAME BACK AND SAID AGAIN HE COULD NOT MAINTAIN ALT NOW AT FL345. THE ACR INTERRUPTS AND SAYS HE HAS A TCASII ALERT AND HE IS DSNDING. BOTH TARGETS ARE ON A PERFECT MERGER COURSE. RADAR CTLR FROZE, SO I TOOK FREQ AND TOLD THE ACR NOT TO DSND AND TO TURN L TO 090 DEGS IMMEDIATELY, IF HE DSNDS IT WOULD PUT HIM WITH THE DA10 WHO HAD LOST AN ENG AND WAS DSNDING. THE 2 ACFT GOT EACH OTHER IN SIGHT AND MISSED IN VERY CLOSE PROX. TCASII ALMOST PUT THESE 2 ACFT TOGETHER! I ONLY REACTED TO WHAT AT THE TIME SEEMED TO BE THE BEST SOLUTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.