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Attributes | |
ACN | 364635 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zny |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 33000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zny |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 364635 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 364220 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Route: jains AR3 oldey G446 rinny direct micas. Situation: in ny oceanic airspace with no HF radio. Background: we were dispatched with above routing. Due to mechanical problem we switched aircraft after having preflted the first airplane. Flight left the gate about 1 1/2 hours late. At jains intersection as PNF I accepted the handoff from ZJX to ny. I subsequently discovered there was no HF radio aboard the aircraft. VHF contact with commercial radio was unsuccessful. Our position report was relayed to commercial radio via another air carrier flight on the air to air frequency. At broom intersection VHF was re- established with miami. Flight continued to destination uneventfully. Contributing factors: the first airplane appeared to have HF radio although the HF check was never accomplished, due to mechanics in cockpit and distraction of the delay. When it was decided to switch aircraft passenger and crew did a bag drag to new aircraft. In the resultant hurry to preflight a new aircraft and coordinate xfer of passenger, bags, catering, fuel and new paperwork, a HF check was never accomplished. 1) dispatch should have not filed routing requiring HF. 2) HF checks are not a normal preflight item. 3) due to rush to get passenger to destination and distractions from mechanical and departing in a snowstorm, as captain, I forgot about HF radio. 4) have flown to several destinations in same general area and never needed HF radios before. 5) accepted routing from dispatch, expecting them to know about lack of HF radio.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 ACFT. FLC HAD PREFLTED AN ACFT THAT THEN HAD A MECHANICAL REQUIRING A PLANE CHANGE. THE NEW ACFT DIDN'T HAVE A HF RADIO INSTALLED, YET THE ROUTING OVER OCEANIC AIRWAY REQUIRED IT. FLC DIDN'T REALIZE THERE WAS NO HF RADIO INSTALLED UNTIL HANDED OVER TO OCEANIC CTL. THEY WERE ABLE TO RELAY POS RPTS THROUGH ANOTHER ACR UNTIL THEY WERE BACK IN VHF RANGE.
Narrative: RTE: JAINS AR3 OLDEY G446 RINNY DIRECT MICAS. SIT: IN NY OCEANIC AIRSPACE WITH NO HF RADIO. BACKGROUND: WE WERE DISPATCHED WITH ABOVE ROUTING. DUE TO MECHANICAL PROB WE SWITCHED ACFT AFTER HAVING PREFLTED THE FIRST AIRPLANE. FLT LEFT THE GATE ABOUT 1 1/2 HRS LATE. AT JAINS INTXN AS PNF I ACCEPTED THE HDOF FROM ZJX TO NY. I SUBSEQUENTLY DISCOVERED THERE WAS NO HF RADIO ABOARD THE ACFT. VHF CONTACT WITH COMMERCIAL RADIO WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. OUR POS RPT WAS RELAYED TO COMMERCIAL RADIO VIA ANOTHER ACR FLT ON THE AIR TO AIR FREQ. AT BROOM INTXN VHF WAS RE- ESTABLISHED WITH MIAMI. FLT CONTINUED TO DEST UNEVENTFULLY. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: THE FIRST AIRPLANE APPEARED TO HAVE HF RADIO ALTHOUGH THE HF CHK WAS NEVER ACCOMPLISHED, DUE TO MECHS IN COCKPIT AND DISTR OF THE DELAY. WHEN IT WAS DECIDED TO SWITCH ACFT PAX AND CREW DID A BAG DRAG TO NEW ACFT. IN THE RESULTANT HURRY TO PREFLT A NEW ACFT AND COORDINATE XFER OF PAX, BAGS, CATERING, FUEL AND NEW PAPERWORK, A HF CHK WAS NEVER ACCOMPLISHED. 1) DISPATCH SHOULD HAVE NOT FILED ROUTING REQUIRING HF. 2) HF CHKS ARE NOT A NORMAL PREFLT ITEM. 3) DUE TO RUSH TO GET PAX TO DEST AND DISTRACTIONS FROM MECHANICAL AND DEPARTING IN A SNOWSTORM, AS CAPT, I FORGOT ABOUT HF RADIO. 4) HAVE FLOWN TO SEVERAL DESTS IN SAME GENERAL AREA AND NEVER NEEDED HF RADIOS BEFORE. 5) ACCEPTED ROUTING FROM DISPATCH, EXPECTING THEM TO KNOW ABOUT LACK OF HF RADIO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.