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Attributes | |
ACN | 364753 |
Time | |
Date | 199703 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : gjt |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute airway : zdv |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 135 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 135 |
ASRS Report | 364753 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was flying for the first time with a very experienced captain whom I knew by reputation as being a solid by-the- books guy. This was only my third day flying out of gjt, where he had been flying for 4 yrs. Although I should not have relied on his past experience, I did. During taxi out for takeoff on runway 29, I copied the clearance as the first officer always does. I didn't immediately pull out the departure procedure, as I should have. I then proceeded to set up the navigation radios for the only departure I had ever used out of there. The captain did nothing to change my course of action or to question it. After takeoff, the captain told me to hold my heading and proceed toward the VOR. Upon reaching 9000 ft MSL, I was clear to turn on course, which was the 098 degree radial. Upon reaching 9000 ft, I began a left turn to a better heading for the 098 degree radial. During this time the captain contacted departure. (Because of the temporary tower at gjt, they can't provide radar services so ZDV does that for us.) ATC saw we were turning and questioned it. In the next 5 mins or so the captain was involved in a discussion with the controller. He told me to fly my heading but left no room for any questions or comments from me. At no time did I feel we were unsafe and at all times remained VFR, but I was still bothered by his behavior. He challenged the controller based on his 'superior' knowledge and never once asked her what she wanted us to do. During our departure, I asked him for an appropriate checklist, but he ignored me. About 14000 ft MSL, I put the autoplt on (even though I generally wait until cruise) so that I could ensure I was still safe -- by verifying the charts for myself. The problem here was twofold: 1) misinterp of departure procedure, and 2) lack of crew resource management. I have learned to not trust anybody in the other seat and to speak up if I have something to add or the captain is ignoring me. Also, ATC is an invaluable resource, too. We're not out there alone!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FO OF AN MDT FAILED TO FOLLOW THE DEP CLRNC GIVEN BY ATC DUE TO FOLLOWING THE USUAL PUBLISHED PROC AS HE HAD DONE BEFORE. THE CAPT DID NOT OBSERVE THE MISTAKE.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING FOR THE FIRST TIME WITH A VERY EXPERIENCED CAPT WHOM I KNEW BY REPUTATION AS BEING A SOLID BY-THE- BOOKS GUY. THIS WAS ONLY MY THIRD DAY FLYING OUT OF GJT, WHERE HE HAD BEEN FLYING FOR 4 YRS. ALTHOUGH I SHOULD NOT HAVE RELIED ON HIS PAST EXPERIENCE, I DID. DURING TAXI OUT FOR TKOF ON RWY 29, I COPIED THE CLRNC AS THE FO ALWAYS DOES. I DIDN'T IMMEDIATELY PULL OUT THE DEP PROC, AS I SHOULD HAVE. I THEN PROCEEDED TO SET UP THE NAV RADIOS FOR THE ONLY DEP I HAD EVER USED OUT OF THERE. THE CAPT DID NOTHING TO CHANGE MY COURSE OF ACTION OR TO QUESTION IT. AFTER TKOF, THE CAPT TOLD ME TO HOLD MY HDG AND PROCEED TOWARD THE VOR. UPON REACHING 9000 FT MSL, I WAS CLR TO TURN ON COURSE, WHICH WAS THE 098 DEG RADIAL. UPON REACHING 9000 FT, I BEGAN A L TURN TO A BETTER HDG FOR THE 098 DEG RADIAL. DURING THIS TIME THE CAPT CONTACTED DEP. (BECAUSE OF THE TEMPORARY TWR AT GJT, THEY CAN'T PROVIDE RADAR SVCS SO ZDV DOES THAT FOR US.) ATC SAW WE WERE TURNING AND QUESTIONED IT. IN THE NEXT 5 MINS OR SO THE CAPT WAS INVOLVED IN A DISCUSSION WITH THE CTLR. HE TOLD ME TO FLY MY HDG BUT LEFT NO ROOM FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM ME. AT NO TIME DID I FEEL WE WERE UNSAFE AND AT ALL TIMES REMAINED VFR, BUT I WAS STILL BOTHERED BY HIS BEHAVIOR. HE CHALLENGED THE CTLR BASED ON HIS 'SUPERIOR' KNOWLEDGE AND NEVER ONCE ASKED HER WHAT SHE WANTED US TO DO. DURING OUR DEP, I ASKED HIM FOR AN APPROPRIATE CHKLIST, BUT HE IGNORED ME. ABOUT 14000 FT MSL, I PUT THE AUTOPLT ON (EVEN THOUGH I GENERALLY WAIT UNTIL CRUISE) SO THAT I COULD ENSURE I WAS STILL SAFE -- BY VERIFYING THE CHARTS FOR MYSELF. THE PROB HERE WAS TWOFOLD: 1) MISINTERP OF DEP PROC, AND 2) LACK OF CREW RESOURCE MGMNT. I HAVE LEARNED TO NOT TRUST ANYBODY IN THE OTHER SEAT AND TO SPEAK UP IF I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD OR THE CAPT IS IGNORING ME. ALSO, ATC IS AN INVALUABLE RESOURCE, TOO. WE'RE NOT OUT THERE ALONE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.