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Large transport was late making turn required by SID. Flight crew was busy keeping track of another aircraft they were to keep visual separation from.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 367260 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199704 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude |
| Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2500 |
| ASRS Report | 367260 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 138 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 400 |
| ASRS Report | 367264 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ATC clearance was to ord via loop 9. When cleared into position was told to maintain visual on brasilia taking off ahead of us. When cleared for takeoff brasilia was still on runway. We were told to maintain visual. After takeoff given altitude change from 2000 ft to 3000 ft and change to socal departure. Was just past the smo 160 degree radial when socal gave us a turn to 220 degrees and asked our heading. We responded turning from 250 degrees to 220 degrees. Late making turn due to maintaining a visual on another aircraft, while accepting an altitude change. While leveling a high performance aircraft at 3000 ft and accepting a frequency change is a busy time, recommend some relief on a SID if maintaining visual is required, or not accepting a VMC with IMC maneuver.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT WAS LATE MAKING TURN REQUIRED BY SID. FLC WAS BUSY KEEPING TRACK OF ANOTHER ACFT THEY WERE TO KEEP VISUAL SEPARATION FROM.
Narrative: ATC CLRNC WAS TO ORD VIA LOOP 9. WHEN CLRED INTO POS WAS TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL ON BRASILIA TAKING OFF AHEAD OF US. WHEN CLRED FOR TKOF BRASILIA WAS STILL ON RWY. WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN VISUAL. AFTER TKOF GIVEN ALT CHANGE FROM 2000 FT TO 3000 FT AND CHANGE TO SOCAL DEP. WAS JUST PAST THE SMO 160 DEG RADIAL WHEN SOCAL GAVE US A TURN TO 220 DEGS AND ASKED OUR HEADING. WE RESPONDED TURNING FROM 250 DEGS TO 220 DEGS. LATE MAKING TURN DUE TO MAINTAINING A VISUAL ON ANOTHER ACFT, WHILE ACCEPTING AN ALT CHANGE. WHILE LEVELING A HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT AT 3000 FT AND ACCEPTING A FREQ CHANGE IS A BUSY TIME, RECOMMEND SOME RELIEF ON A SID IF MAINTAINING VISUAL IS REQUIRED, OR NOT ACCEPTING A VMC WITH IMC MANEUVER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.