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Attributes | |
ACN | 368769 |
Time | |
Date | 199705 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hpw |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 33000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other other other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 368769 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were flying from mem to ewr at FL330. Center advised us of holding ahead and asked if we could climb to FL350. Our weight was 370000 pounds. Maximum at FL350 was 400000 pounds. We climbed to FL350 and entered holding at hopewell VOR. So advised us that V minimum slats retract speed was 230 KIAS. We decided to hold at 240 KIAS. First turn in holding was normal. On second turn, airspeed began to decrease rapidly. I limited bank to 15 degrees and hit takeoff power on thrust computer. With wings level, airspeed stabilized at 200 KIAS. I asked center for lower. He said no, there were 5 aircraft holding below us. I said we could not hold FL350 and asked if FL340 was available. He said no, he needed 2000 ft separation. I again said we were unable to hold our altitude and needed lower. Center said unable, unless 'you declare an emergency.' I declared an emergency and advised center that we were heading 360 degrees and leaving FL350. Once we began the descent, airspeed increased rapidly and we leveled at FL330 and advised center of end of emergency. The aircraft at FL350 was in the nibble of buffet. Automatic slats did not extend, aircraft did not stall, but we were on the back side of the power curve and could not regain airspeed without descending. I should have taken command of aircraft, disconnected autoplt, leveled wings and used maximum power. Instead, I watched first officer attempt to control aircraft on autoplt.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB CARGO ACFT MAINTAINING FL350 WELL WITHIN WT LIMITS. HOLDING AT HPW. HAD COMPLETED ONE CIRCUIT IN THE HOLD, WHEN AIRSPD BEGAN TO SLOW AND WAS UNABLE TO REGAIN. REQUESTED LOWER ALT BUT CTR COULD NOT GIVE UNLESS EMER DECLARED. DECLARED EMER AND DSNDED TO FL330 WHERE AIRSPD WAS REGAINED.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING FROM MEM TO EWR AT FL330. CTR ADVISED US OF HOLDING AHEAD AND ASKED IF WE COULD CLB TO FL350. OUR WT WAS 370000 LBS. MAX AT FL350 WAS 400000 LBS. WE CLBED TO FL350 AND ENTERED HOLDING AT HOPEWELL VOR. SO ADVISED US THAT V MINIMUM SLATS RETRACT SPD WAS 230 KIAS. WE DECIDED TO HOLD AT 240 KIAS. FIRST TURN IN HOLDING WAS NORMAL. ON SECOND TURN, AIRSPD BEGAN TO DECREASE RAPIDLY. I LIMITED BANK TO 15 DEGS AND HIT TKOF PWR ON THRUST COMPUTER. WITH WINGS LEVEL, AIRSPD STABILIZED AT 200 KIAS. I ASKED CTR FOR LOWER. HE SAID NO, THERE WERE 5 ACFT HOLDING BELOW US. I SAID WE COULD NOT HOLD FL350 AND ASKED IF FL340 WAS AVAILABLE. HE SAID NO, HE NEEDED 2000 FT SEPARATION. I AGAIN SAID WE WERE UNABLE TO HOLD OUR ALT AND NEEDED LOWER. CTR SAID UNABLE, UNLESS 'YOU DECLARE AN EMER.' I DECLARED AN EMER AND ADVISED CTR THAT WE WERE HDG 360 DEGS AND LEAVING FL350. ONCE WE BEGAN THE DSCNT, AIRSPD INCREASED RAPIDLY AND WE LEVELED AT FL330 AND ADVISED CTR OF END OF EMER. THE ACFT AT FL350 WAS IN THE NIBBLE OF BUFFET. AUTO SLATS DID NOT EXTEND, ACFT DID NOT STALL, BUT WE WERE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE PWR CURVE AND COULD NOT REGAIN AIRSPD WITHOUT DSNDING. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN COMMAND OF ACFT, DISCONNECTED AUTOPLT, LEVELED WINGS AND USED MAX PWR. INSTEAD, I WATCHED FO ATTEMPT TO CTL ACFT ON AUTOPLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.