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Attributes | |
ACN | 373953 |
Time | |
Date | 199707 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : avp |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : unknown |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 11900 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 373953 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Cruising at 12000 ft, center advised VFR traffic off the left side, 5 mi, 11500 ft. We acquired on TCASII and proceeded to scan for visual contact. TCASII gave us RA to descend. This seemed to contradict the previous information. I (PF) disengaged the autoplt in preparation for descent when pilot in right seat exclaimed 'no, he is below us.' I hesitated while we acquired him visually. All this time I am in shallow bank to right, away from target. About the time we visually acquired target, it was apparent he was now in a climb. TCASII alerted us to 'increase descent.' I initiated a descent while PNF advised ATC. Cleared traffic at 11200 ft and initiated climb back to 12000 ft when traffic all clear. PNF asked ATC about traffic that was previously issued and comment was 'oh yeah, he was climbing.' all of this information along with conflicting callouts (TCASII descent and PNF calling traffic below) led to confusion in cockpit. I had to conservatively (CRM) not descend when PNF called out his evaluation. All very confusing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR FLC IN AN LTT DELAYS THEIR TCASII REACTION WHEN THEY ARE CONFUSED BY INFO FROM THE CTLR AND THE FO THAT CONFLICTS WITH THE RA. A SECOND RA CAUSES THE CAPT TO CORRECTLY FOLLOW ITS GUIDANCE AND AVOID AN NMAC.
Narrative: CRUISING AT 12000 FT, CTR ADVISED VFR TFC OFF THE L SIDE, 5 MI, 11500 FT. WE ACQUIRED ON TCASII AND PROCEEDED TO SCAN FOR VISUAL CONTACT. TCASII GAVE US RA TO DSND. THIS SEEMED TO CONTRADICT THE PREVIOUS INFO. I (PF) DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT IN PREPARATION FOR DSCNT WHEN PLT IN R SEAT EXCLAIMED 'NO, HE IS BELOW US.' I HESITATED WHILE WE ACQUIRED HIM VISUALLY. ALL THIS TIME I AM IN SHALLOW BANK TO R, AWAY FROM TARGET. ABOUT THE TIME WE VISUALLY ACQUIRED TARGET, IT WAS APPARENT HE WAS NOW IN A CLB. TCASII ALERTED US TO 'INCREASE DSCNT.' I INITIATED A DSCNT WHILE PNF ADVISED ATC. CLRED TFC AT 11200 FT AND INITIATED CLB BACK TO 12000 FT WHEN TFC ALL CLR. PNF ASKED ATC ABOUT TFC THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED AND COMMENT WAS 'OH YEAH, HE WAS CLBING.' ALL OF THIS INFO ALONG WITH CONFLICTING CALLOUTS (TCASII DSCNT AND PNF CALLING TFC BELOW) LED TO CONFUSION IN COCKPIT. I HAD TO CONSERVATIVELY (CRM) NOT DSND WHEN PNF CALLED OUT HIS EVALUATION. ALL VERY CONFUSING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.