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Attributes | |
ACN | 387970 |
Time | |
Date | 199712 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mso |
State Reference | MT |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | other other : other pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 16500 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 387970 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Takeoff from gft direct mso. After leveloff at FL220, I proceeded to take out mso maps, charts, send ACARS arrival message, prepare landing data and make PA's. I attempted to receive mso ATIS, however, it was too broken to understand. I then attempted to contact mso unicom with no response, I then pulled up WX for mso on ACARS, it was 5 mins old and now indicated 1 3/4 mi -sn. Descent clearance to 15000 ft and 10000 ft respectively were received from ZLC. Also ATC indicated he would try and get a braking action report from the commuter we were following. We heard the braking action report from the commuter and it was poor. This was received just prior to approach clearance by ATC. Approach clearance was given by ATC at approximately 22 mi from mso with instructions to call once on the ground on this frequency. At the OM the autoplt did not capture the ILS (first officer flying) and in addition the first officer had a steer flag in view on his ADI. I took control of the aircraft and flew the approach to landing. The first officer instruments returned to normal somewhere after GS capture. Ground lights were in view somewhere around 5-6 mi and the runway clearly in view at least by 3 mi. At this time I stated 'is that an aircraft on the runway, transmit in the blind again that we're landing.' at approximately 2 mi I stated 'it must be snow plows.' we could see a moving red light toward the approach end and white moving lights toward the departure end. The lights departed the runway and we landed without incident. Braking action was poor. On block in we were met by an airport policeman and he stated he wanted to speak to us, which we agreed to. He stated 'we did not have prior approval to operate into mso as per a NOTAM posted 1 1/2 hour prior to our arrival.' we stated that we had no such NOTAM in our paperwork. (I retained the departure papers.) also, we had no indication that snow removal operations were in effect. The airport policeman requested my license and medical and copied down the information. Later the policeman stated that he was manning the radio and is not FAA/ATC trained or qualified, and that he felt if the FAA is not going to man the tower then the field should be closed for operations due to the safety problem. I agree. The mso agent repulled up our NOTAMS for mso and no reference to the 'stated/required' prior permission was indicated in our system. We actually arrived approximately 15 mins earlier than schedule. Our mso station agents have our out, off, and eon times. At a minimum that should be coordinated via phone to the airport authority/authorized (ground personnel). This seems to me as a minimum for safe operations into non operating tower airports. Since we are a scheduled carrier, our times are known by the stations. Actual arrival times are also known. If phone coordination is not possible then I recommend no operations into these airports, especially during these conditions. Also ZLC didn't advise of snow removal operations in mso.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG LANDED AT NIGHT AFTER TWR CLOSURE WHEN SNOW REMOVAL EQUIP WAS ON THE RWY. ARPT POLICY ADVISED CREW THAT A NOTAM WAS ISSUED EARLIER REGARDING PRIOR LNDG APPROVAL NECESSARY.
Narrative: TKOF FROM GFT DIRECT MSO. AFTER LEVELOFF AT FL220, I PROCEEDED TO TAKE OUT MSO MAPS, CHARTS, SEND ACARS ARR MESSAGE, PREPARE LNDG DATA AND MAKE PA'S. I ATTEMPTED TO RECEIVE MSO ATIS, HOWEVER, IT WAS TOO BROKEN TO UNDERSTAND. I THEN ATTEMPTED TO CONTACT MSO UNICOM WITH NO RESPONSE, I THEN PULLED UP WX FOR MSO ON ACARS, IT WAS 5 MINS OLD AND NOW INDICATED 1 3/4 MI -SN. DSCNT CLRNC TO 15000 FT AND 10000 FT RESPECTIVELY WERE RECEIVED FROM ZLC. ALSO ATC INDICATED HE WOULD TRY AND GET A BRAKING ACTION RPT FROM THE COMMUTER WE WERE FOLLOWING. WE HEARD THE BRAKING ACTION RPT FROM THE COMMUTER AND IT WAS POOR. THIS WAS RECEIVED JUST PRIOR TO APCH CLRNC BY ATC. APCH CLRNC WAS GIVEN BY ATC AT APPROX 22 MI FROM MSO WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO CALL ONCE ON THE GND ON THIS FREQ. AT THE OM THE AUTOPLT DID NOT CAPTURE THE ILS (FO FLYING) AND IN ADDITION THE FO HAD A STEER FLAG IN VIEW ON HIS ADI. I TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT AND FLEW THE APCH TO LNDG. THE FO INSTS RETURNED TO NORMAL SOMEWHERE AFTER GS CAPTURE. GND LIGHTS WERE IN VIEW SOMEWHERE AROUND 5-6 MI AND THE RWY CLEARLY IN VIEW AT LEAST BY 3 MI. AT THIS TIME I STATED 'IS THAT AN ACFT ON THE RWY, XMIT IN THE BLIND AGAIN THAT WE'RE LNDG.' AT APPROX 2 MI I STATED 'IT MUST BE SNOW PLOWS.' WE COULD SEE A MOVING RED LIGHT TOWARD THE APCH END AND WHITE MOVING LIGHTS TOWARD THE DEP END. THE LIGHTS DEPARTED THE RWY AND WE LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. BRAKING ACTION WAS POOR. ON BLOCK IN WE WERE MET BY AN ARPT POLICEMAN AND HE STATED HE WANTED TO SPEAK TO US, WHICH WE AGREED TO. HE STATED 'WE DID NOT HAVE PRIOR APPROVAL TO OPERATE INTO MSO AS PER A NOTAM POSTED 1 1/2 HR PRIOR TO OUR ARR.' WE STATED THAT WE HAD NO SUCH NOTAM IN OUR PAPERWORK. (I RETAINED THE DEP PAPERS.) ALSO, WE HAD NO INDICATION THAT SNOW REMOVAL OPS WERE IN EFFECT. THE ARPT POLICEMAN REQUESTED MY LICENSE AND MEDICAL AND COPIED DOWN THE INFO. LATER THE POLICEMAN STATED THAT HE WAS MANNING THE RADIO AND IS NOT FAA/ATC TRAINED OR QUALIFIED, AND THAT HE FELT IF THE FAA IS NOT GOING TO MAN THE TWR THEN THE FIELD SHOULD BE CLOSED FOR OPS DUE TO THE SAFETY PROB. I AGREE. THE MSO AGENT REPULLED UP OUR NOTAMS FOR MSO AND NO REF TO THE 'STATED/REQUIRED' PRIOR PERMISSION WAS INDICATED IN OUR SYS. WE ACTUALLY ARRIVED APPROX 15 MINS EARLIER THAN SCHEDULE. OUR MSO STATION AGENTS HAVE OUR OUT, OFF, AND EON TIMES. AT A MINIMUM THAT SHOULD BE COORDINATED VIA PHONE TO THE ARPT AUTH (GND PERSONNEL). THIS SEEMS TO ME AS A MINIMUM FOR SAFE OPS INTO NON OPERATING TWR ARPTS. SINCE WE ARE A SCHEDULED CARRIER, OUR TIMES ARE KNOWN BY THE STATIONS. ACTUAL ARR TIMES ARE ALSO KNOWN. IF PHONE COORD IS NOT POSSIBLE THEN I RECOMMEND NO OPS INTO THESE ARPTS, ESPECIALLY DURING THESE CONDITIONS. ALSO ZLC DIDN'T ADVISE OF SNOW REMOVAL OPS IN MSO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.