<< >> NASA ASRS Report 390310, January 1998

TRACON departure controller challenged air carrier MD80S flight crew when flight crew request vectors on course. After frequency change to ARTCC, controller issues heading until aircraft within NAVAID reception.

Attributes
ACN	390310
Time
Date	199801
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hsv
State Reference	AL
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : hsv
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure other enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	390310
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
ASRS Report	390300
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Our route was filed hsv-mem. Our clearance was as filed. At approximately 4000 ft on climb out, ATC said cleared right turn on course. We were not receiving mem VOR yet. The captain asked for a vector. ATC became upset and questioned why we filed something we could not fly. We could (and in hindsight should) have intercepted the 281 degree radial off decatur VOR but that VOR was mi from our position so that would not technically be a direct mem routing. No conflicts occurred and ATC gave us a 270 degree heading, followed by a frequency change to ZME, who gave us the vector.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: TRACON DEP CTLR CHALLENGED ACR MD80S FLC WHEN FLC REQUEST VECTORS ON COURSE. AFTER FREQ CHANGE TO ARTCC, CTLR ISSUES HEADING UNTIL ACFT WITHIN NAVAID RECEPTION.

Narrative: OUR RTE WAS FILED HSV-MEM. OUR CLRNC WAS AS FILED. AT APPROX 4000 FT ON CLBOUT, ATC SAID CLRED R TURN ON COURSE. WE WERE NOT RECEIVING MEM VOR YET. THE CAPT ASKED FOR A VECTOR. ATC BECAME UPSET AND QUESTIONED WHY WE FILED SOMETHING WE COULD NOT FLY. WE COULD (AND IN HINDSIGHT SHOULD) HAVE INTERCEPTED THE 281 DEG RADIAL OFF DECATUR VOR BUT THAT VOR WAS MI FROM OUR POS SO THAT WOULD NOT TECHNICALLY BE A DIRECT MEM ROUTING. NO CONFLICTS OCCURRED AND ATC GAVE US A 270 DEG HEADING, FOLLOWED BY A FREQ CHANGE TO ZME, WHO GAVE US THE VECTOR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.