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Attributes | |
ACN | 398964 |
Time | |
Date | 199804 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1900 msl bound upper : 1900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Jetstream 31 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6600 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 398964 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Was being vectored to downwind for lax runway 24R visual. Socal pointed out traffic for us to follow at our 2 O'clock, a B737. Captain stated he saw it and to notify approach control. I never saw that traffic. We maneuvered to a right base and then saw a large aircraft approaching from our left. The captain said: 'I wonder who that is?' just then socal issued a panicky- sounding: 'turn right to 360 degrees, climb to 2000 ft.' we were heading about 160 degrees. We then received an uneventful resequence to runway 24R. On final, controller explained that the aircraft we had called in sight was not the one he wanted us to follow (the one we cut off), so he had given us evasive vectors. We had come to the same conclusion just as we were given the evasive vector. The 6 mi visibility didn't help, and it would be safer if both pilots saw and agreed on the identify of an aircraft they will receive a visual approach behind.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A BAE3100 MAKING A VISUAL APCH INTO LAX, CA, MISTAKES ANOTHER ACFT FOR ANNOUNCED TFC AND LOSES SEPARATION WITH THE TFC THEY WERE ORIGINALLY INSTRUCTED TO FOLLOW.
Narrative: WAS BEING VECTORED TO DOWNWIND FOR LAX RWY 24R VISUAL. SOCAL POINTED OUT TFC FOR US TO FOLLOW AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK, A B737. CAPT STATED HE SAW IT AND TO NOTIFY APCH CTL. I NEVER SAW THAT TFC. WE MANEUVERED TO A R BASE AND THEN SAW A LARGE ACFT APCHING FROM OUR L. THE CAPT SAID: 'I WONDER WHO THAT IS?' JUST THEN SOCAL ISSUED A PANICKY- SOUNDING: 'TURN R TO 360 DEGS, CLB TO 2000 FT.' WE WERE HDG ABOUT 160 DEGS. WE THEN RECEIVED AN UNEVENTFUL RESEQUENCE TO RWY 24R. ON FINAL, CTLR EXPLAINED THAT THE ACFT WE HAD CALLED IN SIGHT WAS NOT THE ONE HE WANTED US TO FOLLOW (THE ONE WE CUT OFF), SO HE HAD GIVEN US EVASIVE VECTORS. WE HAD COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION JUST AS WE WERE GIVEN THE EVASIVE VECTOR. THE 6 MI VISIBILITY DIDN'T HELP, AND IT WOULD BE SAFER IF BOTH PLTS SAW AND AGREED ON THE IDENT OF AN ACFT THEY WILL RECEIVE A VISUAL APCH BEHIND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.