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Attributes | |
ACN | 399160 |
Time | |
Date | 199804 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around landing other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 37 flight time total : 118 flight time type : 4 |
ASRS Report | 399160 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment other other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 30 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was flying with a friend. When I was cleared to land on runway 24, I landed. At teb there is also a runway that runs through runway 24 which is runway 19. When I landed on runway 24, and was going to cross runway 19, I saw a huge jet landing on runway 19. At that point the commercial pilot braked to avoid runway 19 and getting hit by the other aircraft. Then made u- turn to stay clear of runway 19. The only reason he did this was [end of report]. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: analyst was told by the reporter that he was the PF and that they were told on landing rollout not to stop and not to delay through runway 19. Reporter stated his companion, a commercial rated pilot, saw the arrival jet and braked and turned the aircraft short of the runway 19 hold line. Reporter indicated that when they called the tower after parking they learned the local controller expected the aircraft to go through the intersection and be clear for the landing jet but when the cessna stopped, the jet was sent around as the controller did not know if reporter's aircraft would go into the intersection. Reporter indicated there was no loss of separation. Reporter indicated the jet was an air carrier but did not know the type.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPT OF A POSSIBLE LOSS OF SEPARATION BTWN A C172 ON LNDG ROLLOUT ON RWY 24 AND A COMMERCIAL JET FOR RWY 19.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING WITH A FRIEND. WHEN I WAS CLRED TO LAND ON RWY 24, I LANDED. AT TEB THERE IS ALSO A RWY THAT RUNS THROUGH RWY 24 WHICH IS RWY 19. WHEN I LANDED ON RWY 24, AND WAS GOING TO CROSS RWY 19, I SAW A HUGE JET LNDG ON RWY 19. AT THAT POINT THE COMMERCIAL PLT BRAKED TO AVOID RWY 19 AND GETTING HIT BY THE OTHER ACFT. THEN MADE U- TURN TO STAY CLR OF RWY 19. THE ONLY REASON HE DID THIS WAS [END OF RPT]. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ANALYST WAS TOLD BY THE RPTR THAT HE WAS THE PF AND THAT THEY WERE TOLD ON LNDG ROLLOUT NOT TO STOP AND NOT TO DELAY THROUGH RWY 19. RPTR STATED HIS COMPANION, A COMMERCIAL RATED PLT, SAW THE ARR JET AND BRAKED AND TURNED THE ACFT SHORT OF THE RWY 19 HOLD LINE. RPTR INDICATED THAT WHEN THEY CALLED THE TWR AFTER PARKING THEY LEARNED THE LCL CTLR EXPECTED THE ACFT TO GO THROUGH THE INTXN AND BE CLR FOR THE LNDG JET BUT WHEN THE CESSNA STOPPED, THE JET WAS SENT AROUND AS THE CTLR DID NOT KNOW IF RPTR'S ACFT WOULD GO INTO THE INTXN. RPTR INDICATED THERE WAS NO LOSS OF SEPARATION. RPTR INDICATED THE JET WAS AN ACR BUT DID NOT KNOW THE TYPE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.