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Attributes | |
ACN | 405379 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bos |
State Reference | MA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1000 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : bos tower : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Dash 8 Series Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 405379 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : ground less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
En route we briefed for the ILS runway 4R approach based on ATIS and approach control information that RVR was 4000 ft. We were tracking inbound on the localizer and approach kept us high (above GS) before clearance for the approach. I elected to fly the approach manually to facilitate intercepting the GS from above (I was utilizing the flight director). We contacted the tower at miltt per instructions from approach. Not long after miltt, I heard the tower issue a 'caution' to the aircraft ahead of us that there was a ship in the channel with a ht of 150 ft. The aircraft ahead subsequently landed and was cleared off the runway. The tower controller then issued the same 'caution, ship in channel, 150 ft in ht' to us. At this point, we were over 1/2 way between miltt and the runway. While concentrating on flying the approach, in the 'back of my mind' I was trying to consider the significance of the caution. We continued the approach and made contact with the approach lights just above the normal decision altitude (218 ft). After landing and taxiing in, we looked over the approach chart and realized the 'conditional decision altitude' for tall vessels may have applied. In fact, I did not know what ht constitutes a 'tall vessel.' it is not written anywhere that I could find. I asked clearance delivery and they did not know, but they checked and told us it was 85 ft or higher (oops!). We were clearly remiss in not catching the 'conditional' decision altitude during the briefing, but there were several issues that 'set the trap' for us. First, there was no mention of ships in the channel until we were well inside miltt. (If we had known about the ships prior to GS intercept we might have noticed that we did not have minimums (RVR 6000 ft) for the approach.) second, the controller did not use the terminology 'tall vessels,' which gave us an ambiguous caution message. A more clear statement would be 'tall vessels in approach area -- higher minimums apply.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A LNDG DH8 GOES BELOW THE DECISION HT AUTH FOR AN ILS TO BOS RWY 4R WHEN TWR RPTS 'CAUTION, SHIP IN THE CHANNEL WITH A HT OF 150 FT.' THE AUTH DECISION HT WITH A 'TALL SHIP' IN THE CHANNEL IS 359 FT VERSUS 218 FT NORMALLY.
Narrative: ENRTE WE BRIEFED FOR THE ILS RWY 4R APCH BASED ON ATIS AND APCH CTL INFO THAT RVR WAS 4000 FT. WE WERE TRACKING INBOUND ON THE LOC AND APCH KEPT US HIGH (ABOVE GS) BEFORE CLRNC FOR THE APCH. I ELECTED TO FLY THE APCH MANUALLY TO FACILITATE INTERCEPTING THE GS FROM ABOVE (I WAS UTILIZING THE FLT DIRECTOR). WE CONTACTED THE TWR AT MILTT PER INSTRUCTIONS FROM APCH. NOT LONG AFTER MILTT, I HEARD THE TWR ISSUE A 'CAUTION' TO THE ACFT AHEAD OF US THAT THERE WAS A SHIP IN THE CHANNEL WITH A HT OF 150 FT. THE ACFT AHEAD SUBSEQUENTLY LANDED AND WAS CLRED OFF THE RWY. THE TWR CTLR THEN ISSUED THE SAME 'CAUTION, SHIP IN CHANNEL, 150 FT IN HT' TO US. AT THIS POINT, WE WERE OVER 1/2 WAY BTWN MILTT AND THE RWY. WHILE CONCENTRATING ON FLYING THE APCH, IN THE 'BACK OF MY MIND' I WAS TRYING TO CONSIDER THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CAUTION. WE CONTINUED THE APCH AND MADE CONTACT WITH THE APCH LIGHTS JUST ABOVE THE NORMAL DECISION ALT (218 FT). AFTER LNDG AND TAXIING IN, WE LOOKED OVER THE APCH CHART AND REALIZED THE 'CONDITIONAL DECISION ALT' FOR TALL VESSELS MAY HAVE APPLIED. IN FACT, I DID NOT KNOW WHAT HT CONSTITUTES A 'TALL VESSEL.' IT IS NOT WRITTEN ANYWHERE THAT I COULD FIND. I ASKED CLRNC DELIVERY AND THEY DID NOT KNOW, BUT THEY CHKED AND TOLD US IT WAS 85 FT OR HIGHER (OOPS!). WE WERE CLRLY REMISS IN NOT CATCHING THE 'CONDITIONAL' DECISION ALT DURING THE BRIEFING, BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL ISSUES THAT 'SET THE TRAP' FOR US. FIRST, THERE WAS NO MENTION OF SHIPS IN THE CHANNEL UNTIL WE WERE WELL INSIDE MILTT. (IF WE HAD KNOWN ABOUT THE SHIPS PRIOR TO GS INTERCEPT WE MIGHT HAVE NOTICED THAT WE DID NOT HAVE MINIMUMS (RVR 6000 FT) FOR THE APCH.) SECOND, THE CTLR DID NOT USE THE TERMINOLOGY 'TALL VESSELS,' WHICH GAVE US AN AMBIGUOUS CAUTION MESSAGE. A MORE CLR STATEMENT WOULD BE 'TALL VESSELS IN APCH AREA -- HIGHER MINIMUMS APPLY.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.