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Attributes | |
ACN | 406912 |
Time | |
Date | 199806 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 406912 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While serving as flight engineer on scheduled flight, we pushed back from gate without contacting ground control. A note was made by me on the ATIS card indicating that it was required. Both the captain and first officer also acknowledged, however in the ensuing 'pre pushback' flurry, they forgot to call, and I forgot to remind them. At any rate, we pushed out and realized our mistake. Ground control was aware and stopped 2 commuter airplanes on the taxi. We apologized to ground and spoke with the supervisor on VHF, explaining that it would never happen again. In the meantime, however, an air carrier Y B767-300 (whom we were all talking to) taxied up to the ramp entrance. Ground asked air carrier Y if he could taxi by us into his gate, to which he replied he could. It looked too close (and it was, as it turned out). The captain, first officer, and myself recognized this. The captain told the tow driver to push us back immediately, which he did. The tow bar snapped, but served its purpose as it got us out of the way. The air carrier Y B767 wingtip missed us by 3-4 ft. It must be pointed out that the 2 sits were unrelated. We were already talking to ground when they cleared air carrier Y into the alley. It is our opinion that the air carrier Y B767 should not have attempted taxiing in, as the separation was inadequate. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that he and the rest of the flight crew were concerned that the B767-300 did not have sufficient room to pass in front of their aircraft and that first officer asked the tug driver to push them back further out of the way. Then the crew heard the tow bar snap and break. However, the extra pushback was just enough to provide room needed for the B767 to clear as it passed. The aircraft nosewheel assembly was inspected for damage before taxiing out for takeoff. This matter was discussed with tower supervisor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A DC10 FAILED TO CONTACT GND CTL PRIOR TO PUSHBACK RESULTING IN TWR STOPPING 2 COMMUTER ACFT FROM ENTERING THE RAMP AREA. SUBSEQUENTLY, AFTER CONTACT WITH TWR, A B767-300 TAXIED PAST THE NOSE OF THE DC10, MISSING BY ONLY A FEW FT, AFTER THE RPTR OBSERVED THE B767 COMING AND THE PUSHBACK TUG DRIVER WAS NOTIFIED TO PUSH THEM BACK FURTHER. THE ACFT DID MOVE BACK A FEW FT BEFORE THE TOW BAR BROKE.
Narrative: WHILE SERVING AS FE ON SCHEDULED FLT, WE PUSHED BACK FROM GATE WITHOUT CONTACTING GND CTL. A NOTE WAS MADE BY ME ON THE ATIS CARD INDICATING THAT IT WAS REQUIRED. BOTH THE CAPT AND FO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED, HOWEVER IN THE ENSUING 'PRE PUSHBACK' FLURRY, THEY FORGOT TO CALL, AND I FORGOT TO REMIND THEM. AT ANY RATE, WE PUSHED OUT AND REALIZED OUR MISTAKE. GND CTL WAS AWARE AND STOPPED 2 COMMUTER AIRPLANES ON THE TAXI. WE APOLOGIZED TO GND AND SPOKE WITH THE SUPVR ON VHF, EXPLAINING THAT IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. IN THE MEANTIME, HOWEVER, AN ACR Y B767-300 (WHOM WE WERE ALL TALKING TO) TAXIED UP TO THE RAMP ENTRANCE. GND ASKED ACR Y IF HE COULD TAXI BY US INTO HIS GATE, TO WHICH HE REPLIED HE COULD. IT LOOKED TOO CLOSE (AND IT WAS, AS IT TURNED OUT). THE CAPT, FO, AND MYSELF RECOGNIZED THIS. THE CAPT TOLD THE TOW DRIVER TO PUSH US BACK IMMEDIATELY, WHICH HE DID. THE TOW BAR SNAPPED, BUT SERVED ITS PURPOSE AS IT GOT US OUT OF THE WAY. THE ACR Y B767 WINGTIP MISSED US BY 3-4 FT. IT MUST BE POINTED OUT THAT THE 2 SITS WERE UNRELATED. WE WERE ALREADY TALKING TO GND WHEN THEY CLRED ACR Y INTO THE ALLEY. IT IS OUR OPINION THAT THE ACR Y B767 SHOULD NOT HAVE ATTEMPTED TAXIING IN, AS THE SEPARATION WAS INADEQUATE. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT HE AND THE REST OF THE FLC WERE CONCERNED THAT THE B767-300 DID NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT ROOM TO PASS IN FRONT OF THEIR ACFT AND THAT FO ASKED THE TUG DRIVER TO PUSH THEM BACK FURTHER OUT OF THE WAY. THEN THE CREW HEARD THE TOW BAR SNAP AND BREAK. HOWEVER, THE EXTRA PUSHBACK WAS JUST ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ROOM NEEDED FOR THE B767 TO CLR AS IT PASSED. THE ACFT NOSEWHEEL ASSEMBLY WAS INSPECTED FOR DAMAGE BEFORE TAXIING OUT FOR TKOF. THIS MATTER WAS DISCUSSED WITH TWR SUPVR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.