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Attributes | |
ACN | 409722 |
Time | |
Date | 199807 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mia tower : mia |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 409722 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We were cleared for the ILS runway 12 at mia airport. Approach controller requested we keep our speed up as long as possible. When we were at the final approach fix, we were switched to tower frequency. The tower controller cleared us to land on runway 12, hold short of runway 9R. We were at a faster speed than normal, to facilitate approach's request. By this time we were inside the FAF, trying to slow and configure the airplane for landing. The captain asked tower how much runway would be available with lahso and got no reply. He started to look at the company special pages to find a lahso runway available distance, but had a hard time since it was dark and he wears glasses. I felt uncomfortable getting a lahso clearance so late, while we were very busy. Also, our union has issued many safety bulletins recommending pilots not accept lahso clrncs until many issues are resolved. I told the captain I didn't want to land and hold short of runway 9R. He told tower 'unable to land and hold short.' tower replied, cancel landing clearance runway 12, cleared to land runway 9L. We were about 2-3 mi out, and I couldn't see runway 9L. We didn't have any navaids or FMS display set for runway 9L, and I wasn't sure where runway 9L was in relation to runway 12. I asked the captain to dial in the runway 9L localizer frequency, but he was busy and didn't hear. During all this confusion, somehow the autothrottles were disconnected and I didn't realize it, getting 10 KIAS slow. We were both looking outside for the 9L runway and picked up the VASI for a normal landing. Tower put us in a dangerous situation. Lahso is a bad idea. Next time I'll go around.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE CREW ON A B757 LNDG RWY 12 AT MIA IS INSTRUCTED TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 9R. APPROX 2-3 MI OUT, THE B757 CREW ADVISES THE TWR THAT THEY ARE UNABLE TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR THE ILS RWY 12 AT MIA ARPT. APCH CTLR REQUESTED WE KEEP OUR SPD UP AS LONG AS POSSIBLE. WHEN WE WERE AT THE FINAL APCH FIX, WE WERE SWITCHED TO TWR FREQ. THE TWR CTLR CLRED US TO LAND ON RWY 12, HOLD SHORT OF RWY 9R. WE WERE AT A FASTER SPD THAN NORMAL, TO FACILITATE APCH'S REQUEST. BY THIS TIME WE WERE INSIDE THE FAF, TRYING TO SLOW AND CONFIGURE THE AIRPLANE FOR LNDG. THE CAPT ASKED TWR HOW MUCH RWY WOULD BE AVAILABLE WITH LAHSO AND GOT NO REPLY. HE STARTED TO LOOK AT THE COMPANY SPECIAL PAGES TO FIND A LAHSO RWY AVAILABLE DISTANCE, BUT HAD A HARD TIME SINCE IT WAS DARK AND HE WEARS GLASSES. I FELT UNCOMFORTABLE GETTING A LAHSO CLRNC SO LATE, WHILE WE WERE VERY BUSY. ALSO, OUR UNION HAS ISSUED MANY SAFETY BULLETINS RECOMMENDING PLTS NOT ACCEPT LAHSO CLRNCS UNTIL MANY ISSUES ARE RESOLVED. I TOLD THE CAPT I DIDN'T WANT TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 9R. HE TOLD TWR 'UNABLE TO LAND AND HOLD SHORT.' TWR REPLIED, CANCEL LNDG CLRNC RWY 12, CLRED TO LAND RWY 9L. WE WERE ABOUT 2-3 MI OUT, AND I COULDN'T SEE RWY 9L. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY NAVAIDS OR FMS DISPLAY SET FOR RWY 9L, AND I WASN'T SURE WHERE RWY 9L WAS IN RELATION TO RWY 12. I ASKED THE CAPT TO DIAL IN THE RWY 9L LOC FREQ, BUT HE WAS BUSY AND DIDN'T HEAR. DURING ALL THIS CONFUSION, SOMEHOW THE AUTOTHROTTLES WERE DISCONNECTED AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT, GETTING 10 KIAS SLOW. WE WERE BOTH LOOKING OUTSIDE FOR THE 9L RWY AND PICKED UP THE VASI FOR A NORMAL LNDG. TWR PUT US IN A DANGEROUS SIT. LAHSO IS A BAD IDEA. NEXT TIME I'LL GO AROUND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.