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Flight crew of a DC9-30 exceeded the boundary limits of their assigned holding pattern due to distraction of discussing fuel remaining and going to the alternate airport. They were correcting back when ARTCC radar controller intervened to remind them of their assigned holding limits.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 414292 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199809 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : roc |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : bjc |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | DC-9 30 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : zob |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 26000 flight time type : 5200 |
| ASRS Report | 414292 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 7000 |
| ASRS Report | 414020 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While on our holding pattern, which was to hold on rochester 040 degree radial northeast at 16000 ft, right turns and 30 mi legs, the copilot and I were discussing our fuel situation and our alternate choices, when I noticed that our outbound holding leg and turn was at 34 DME or 4 mi outside our holding pattern. ZOB also mentioned that while we were correcting immediately. Nothing else was said.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF A DC9-30 EXCEEDED THE BOUNDARY LIMITS OF THEIR ASSIGNED HOLDING PATTERN DUE TO DISTR OF DISCUSSING FUEL REMAINING AND GOING TO THE ALTERNATE ARPT. THEY WERE CORRECTING BACK WHEN ARTCC RADAR CTLR INTERVENED TO REMIND THEM OF THEIR ASSIGNED HOLDING LIMITS.
Narrative: WHILE ON OUR HOLDING PATTERN, WHICH WAS TO HOLD ON ROCHESTER 040 DEG RADIAL NE AT 16000 FT, R TURNS AND 30 MI LEGS, THE COPLT AND I WERE DISCUSSING OUR FUEL SIT AND OUR ALTERNATE CHOICES, WHEN I NOTICED THAT OUR OUTBOUND HOLDING LEG AND TURN WAS AT 34 DME OR 4 MI OUTSIDE OUR HOLDING PATTERN. ZOB ALSO MENTIONED THAT WHILE WE WERE CORRECTING IMMEDIATELY. NOTHING ELSE WAS SAID.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.