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Attributes | |
ACN | 417008 |
Time | |
Date | 199809 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgb |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | controller military : 12 controller radar : 12 flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 417008 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 20 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
We had just taken off from long beach for ruidoso. At 5000 ft turning south, we were cleared to climb to 6000 ft. In the climb, we got a sudden TCASII advisory and rapidly an RA. The pilot initiated a hard left turn. I looked out the window and a C210 was in a descent aimed right at us. It was mixed clouds. It was virtually a head-on collision save for the turn by both aircraft. The controllers had cleared this plane to descend and also cleared us to climb. The TCASII saved our lives clearly. Also clearly, the controller nearly cost it. My company, for fear of publicity, will not file a complaint with the FAA. This has received no attention locally and will certainly happen again. It is regrettable that this is the only avenue I have for reporting this and still be able to keep my job. These things happen pretty frequently over socal which reflect the amount of traffic and also the caliber of the ATC. We did call the office for the controling authority/authorized during the flight and spoke with a supervisor and she did contact our chief pilot, but that is the extent of the action that I know to have been conducted. Those distances are accurate I believe. It was very, very close. I believe the situation warrants more than this report, but I feel that nothing will be done regardless.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: DEP CLBING TFC A GIV NARROWLY MISSES A DSNDING C210 WHILE DEP LGB. THE C210 WAS MOST LIKELY ON THE VFR TRANSITION RTE THROUGH THE LAX BASIN.
Narrative: WE HAD JUST TAKEN OFF FROM LONG BEACH FOR RUIDOSO. AT 5000 FT TURNING S, WE WERE CLRED TO CLB TO 6000 FT. IN THE CLB, WE GOT A SUDDEN TCASII ADVISORY AND RAPIDLY AN RA. THE PLT INITIATED A HARD L TURN. I LOOKED OUT THE WINDOW AND A C210 WAS IN A DSCNT AIMED RIGHT AT US. IT WAS MIXED CLOUDS. IT WAS VIRTUALLY A HEAD-ON COLLISION SAVE FOR THE TURN BY BOTH ACFT. THE CTLRS HAD CLRED THIS PLANE TO DSND AND ALSO CLRED US TO CLB. THE TCASII SAVED OUR LIVES CLRLY. ALSO CLRLY, THE CTLR NEARLY COST IT. MY COMPANY, FOR FEAR OF PUBLICITY, WILL NOT FILE A COMPLAINT WITH THE FAA. THIS HAS RECEIVED NO ATTN LOCALLY AND WILL CERTAINLY HAPPEN AGAIN. IT IS REGRETTABLE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY AVENUE I HAVE FOR RPTING THIS AND STILL BE ABLE TO KEEP MY JOB. THESE THINGS HAPPEN PRETTY FREQUENTLY OVER SOCAL WHICH REFLECT THE AMOUNT OF TFC AND ALSO THE CALIBER OF THE ATC. WE DID CALL THE OFFICE FOR THE CTLING AUTH DURING THE FLT AND SPOKE WITH A SUPVR AND SHE DID CONTACT OUR CHIEF PLT, BUT THAT IS THE EXTENT OF THE ACTION THAT I KNOW TO HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED. THOSE DISTANCES ARE ACCURATE I BELIEVE. IT WAS VERY, VERY CLOSE. I BELIEVE THE SIT WARRANTS MORE THAN THIS RPT, BUT I FEEL THAT NOTHING WILL BE DONE REGARDLESS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.