MD80 crew unable to make crossing restr descending into san.

Attributes
ACN	420250
Time
Date	199811
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : jli
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 20000 msl bound upper : 21700
Environment
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	MD-80 Super 80
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival star : star
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
ASRS Report	420250
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial
ASRS Report	420040
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

We were cleared to saltn fix to cross at FL240. Approximately 3 mi from saltn we were level at FL240. We were given clearance to cross karro below FL190 and cleared to 17000 ft. Karro is 12 NM from saltn for a total of 15 NM to descend 5000 ft. With choppy air, or without, the crossing could not be made so we advised center we could not make the altitude. So she cleared us to cross at FL200 in which case we were already at the fix at FL217 so the crossing was not made. Center gave us a late descent to be able to make the restr. Speed brakes were deployed immediately upon the start cleared to 12000 ft and had to still use speed brakes to get down. An uneventful landing was made in san.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MD80 CREW UNABLE TO MAKE XING RESTR DSNDING INTO SAN.

Narrative: WE WERE CLRED TO SALTN FIX TO CROSS AT FL240. APPROX 3 MI FROM SALTN WE WERE LEVEL AT FL240. WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC TO CROSS KARRO BELOW FL190 AND CLRED TO 17000 FT. KARRO IS 12 NM FROM SALTN FOR A TOTAL OF 15 NM TO DSND 5000 FT. WITH CHOPPY AIR, OR WITHOUT, THE XING COULD NOT BE MADE SO WE ADVISED CTR WE COULD NOT MAKE THE ALT. SO SHE CLRED US TO CROSS AT FL200 IN WHICH CASE WE WERE ALREADY AT THE FIX AT FL217 SO THE XING WAS NOT MADE. CTR GAVE US A LATE DSCNT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RESTR. SPD BRAKES WERE DEPLOYED IMMEDIATELY UPON THE START CLRED TO 12000 FT AND HAD TO STILL USE SPD BRAKES TO GET DOWN. AN UNEVENTFUL LNDG WAS MADE IN SAN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.